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Club Charged for Fielding an Unregistered Player - Points Deduction ????

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Here's the club statement :

http://www.themillers.co.uk/news/article/rotherham-united-2397099.aspx

 

I cannot believe we have been so stupid.  This could cost us very dearly.  I have found a link re Mansfield so perhaps there is some hope but for us to have to appoint a QC means it is serious.

 

Here's that link :- http://www.football-league.co.uk/news/article/2015/football-league-statement-mansfield-town-2290235.aspx



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...and Blackpool had a fine for similar. cant see a points deduction

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Both those lost the game, we won so I wouldn't be so sure.

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...and its worth noting chesterfield had the same v Bradford and were ordered to reply-going to be close. Yikes!

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Hmmmm, further trawling suggests we will be docked points.

Wimbledon and forrest green docked points.
Chesterfield ordered to replay.
Sunderland escaped due to international clause.

West ham charged 71k, and west ham before in the sheff utd case paid 18 million instead of relegation. 

 

It seems to me the prem will take the cash but the league will deduct points and a fine.

Dont look good .

I suspect the club knew something early in the week -just listen to Evo interview post boro.



-- Edited by ian on Monday 13th of April 2015 02:44:57 PM

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Read below: I'd say we are nailed and Brighton  get the points.

 

The Football Association have not publicly statedthe reasons behind the decision, but are believed to have decided against a points deduction, as the player was registered as a Sunderland player, but international clearance had not been received for him to play in England following the end of his loan spell with German club Augsburg last season. Sunderland claimed to be unaware of the requirement to obtain clearance for a player to return to his parent club in such a situation despite Clause 6.1.1 on Page 557 of the Football Association rules being clear on this point.

 

The Football Association rules provide, at Clause 6.9on Page 563, that a club who plays an ineligible player may have any points gained from that match deducted from its record and have levied upon it a fine. A decision in relation to a points deduction can be varied if the ineligibility is down to the failure to obtain the relevant transfer certificate or is related to the status of the player. Were a points deduction to have been imposed against Sunderland, the draw earned by the Black Cats at Southampton in August, would have been counted as a victory for the home side. How crucial that single point will prove to be in the battle against relegation, will become clear over the next few weeks.

 

The case of Brora does show that clubs may be willing to challenge the football authorities in the Courts despite UEFA stating in the Sion case that clubs not willing to accept the rules of football, should not be able to participate in it. If a team suffers relegation from the Premier League and the single point earned by Sunderland at Southampton turns out to be pivotal, it will be interesting to see if clubs seek to challenge the decision of the Football Association in a legal forum.

 

Football governing bodies are often in a no win situation as the Brora and Sunderland cases show. There is the argument that they should exercise common sense, rather than punish clubs for what can be simple administrative errors which do not impact upon the sporting result as in the case of Brora. Yet in the Sunderland case, there may have been an advantage gained by playing an ineligible player for the full second-half of a game Sunderland drew. The wording of the Football Association rules, suggests that Sunderland may have been fortunate to escape further punishment in that case.

 

 

 



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It appears to be a nailed on deduction of points when you win with an unregistered player as it's perceived to have given the winning team an advantage.

This explains the absolute shambles witnessed on Saturday at Boro when Rawson was out on the pitch. No one knew what they were supposed to be doing with Rawson. Can you just imagine the feeling if we had unlikely though it was, won at Boro and now facing a 6 point deduction.

Well, here we go, right down to the bitter end and Elland Road is a must win venue imo now



-- Edited by Millers4Ever on Monday 13th of April 2015 02:44:36 PM

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Not just leeds game, but I'd say we need 9 points now.

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When it gets round to blame where does the buck actually stop? No scapegoats! But, whatever the reason it needs to be professionally analysed to make sure we aren't messing up anywhere else. 

 

Where are the Checks?

What are the checks?



-- Edited by ian on Monday 13th of April 2015 05:28:10 PM

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Rules are rules and we broke them. If we go down it is our fault. The buck stops with the club secretary.

We never do anything the easy way.

In my honest opinion we will get a 3 points deduction however in the interests of fairness I would prefer a fine and a replay of the Brighton game.

...what happens if we stay up by 1 goal of goal difference ?

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This is outrageous - doesn't Paul Douglas deal with contracts & transfers?

More than 1 person though within the club would have known the expiry date, but surely a decision stops with someone. If assumptions were made due to it being a bank holiday etc then said person needs sacking. Or is speaking to the FA like trying to get through to the Inland Revenue?

However we try & explain it - there's no excuse for it, it shouldn't have happened. That will spur Millwall on no end should those points get removed.

If we go down, we've only ourselves to blame, not just this - but over the course of the season.

Conspiracy theory - this was done on purpose as the reality of Championship football is deemed too soon for us off the pitch?

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Whichever way you choose to look at it this is an absolute shambles. It is almost certain that we will be given a points deduction. This will probably be three points but we are talking about Rotherham United here so who knows. We will probably get a large fine as well as being presented with the cost of the hearing. And there is no room for hypocrisy on here in the current situation, if someone had fielded an ineligible player against us we would have been screaming for a points deduction.
So we have to bite the bullet and get on with it. I trust whoever is to blame will be dealt with by the club in the appropriate manner. But we don't have all the facts so any further comment would be inappropriate.

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THAT,S IT!!!

I,m going down to the pub tomorrow!!(I was going anyway as it happens).Seriously,recent air accidents-tragedies,this -a bummer but I can live with it  whatever happens.



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Can't imagine this sort of administrative incompetence sits very comfortably with Tony Stewart!

It definitely doesn't sit well with me!!

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GlennMiller wrote:

Can't imagine this sort of administrative incompetence sits very comfortably with Tony Stewart!

It definitely doesn't sit well with me!!


 agreed m8 but we have all dropped clangers whether at work or elsewhere.I know I certainly have.



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Have you dropped a clanger that would cost your business £5 million pounds though! - OK its not like that as one incident doesn't decipher our fate, but I'm sure you'd feel responsible - I know I would

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Heads must roll. I would not let this incompetent employee anywhere near my company again. Someone knows the dates of loan signing expiration. It should be in black and white on the managers desk so he knows his available squad. Should we go down this has cost us millions. Nothing on this scale but I witness week in week out administrative **** ups at nys. In the platinum lounge groups turning up with no table for them or no seat in the stand. Players autographed shirts that have been payed for lost. Even the hand dryer in the gents has been broken since December and we can't even get that sorted. I'm sure tony never gets to hear or see any of it. We still have small time div2 staff trying to run a bigger championship club.


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I just do not believe this. SHEER UNADULTERATED IDIOCY!!!
If & probably when we go down as a result of this (because it will give Millwall & Wigan a massive lift) heads should roll.
Also, I can't believe in this data & technical age, cases like this continue to happen on a regular basis!!

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We aren't the first and we won't be the last.

It's never (or shouldn't be) one persons error, there should be checks and balances.

I take flickers point, but TS is responsible because it's his responsibility. If the staff aren't up to it then there needs to be ways of managing thus.



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The case for the defence:

Precedence-numerous examples.
Oversight - genuine error with no intent to gain advantage.
Derby's understanding - did they contribute to the error.
Technicalities-IT issues and communication errors.



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