What was that based on andy as they couldn't be more different?
Ian,
I listened very carefully to what Nellist had to say about this country's wealth. He went on to say that the total amount of bonuses that bankers had awarded themselves, approximately 80 billion pounds in total since the supposed financial crash, would have sorted out other services in dire need of funding.
Then I thought about Farage being a former banker. Then I thought about leopards changing their spots.
So, at the moment it's TUSC for me.
Some will say it's a protest vote. Some will say it's a wasted vote. But I'll be able to live with myself knowing that I haven't voted for any of the other parties who appear to be urinating into the same pot.
They do not represent me anymore. They can spin and spin but I will not step into their webs of deceit.
Interestingly the capitalists make no bones about greed but they do pretend that without their hard work and intelligence the world would fail.
Collateral damage is acceptable under this philosophy.
"Whether it can ever be viable..." not in my opinion, Russia, China, North Korea prove that human nature always strives for a controlling elite to do 'what is best' for the proletariat. Socialism is like a fairy tale, sounds nice and fluffy on paper but can never actually stand up in the real world. A free market economy can and should work for the benefit of everyone - it drives innovation, entrepreneurialism and rewards success. But the system requires equality of opportunity and safeguards in place at both extremes to provide assistance for people starting out at the bottom and to reign in the excesses of those lucky enough to reach the upper echelons.
-- Edited by S8Miller on Wednesday 22nd of April 2015 09:52:03 AM
Interestingly the capitalists make no bones about greed but they do pretend that without their hard work and intelligence the world would fail.
Collateral damage is acceptable under this philosophy.
"Whether it can ever be viable..." not in my opinion, Russia, China, North Korea prove that human nature always strives for a controlling elite to do 'what is best' for the proletariat. Socialism is like a fairy tale, sounds nice and fluffy on paper but can never actually stand up in the real world. A free market economy can and should work for the benefit of everyone - it drives innovation, entrepreneurialism and rewards success. But the system requires equality of opportunity and safeguards in place at both extremes to provide assistance for people starting out at the bottom and to reign in the excesses of those lucky enough to reach the upper echelons.
I undestand S8, the problem Is that the set of issues you relate to socialist values and the inability of human nature to establish true motivation for equality relates equally to a democratic 'free market economy'. Abuse, excess and needless suffering and violence is easily demonstrated in every period of an individual's life cycle in all the 'great democracies'.
It might be that we are bound by our own experience rather than an objective view on what is correct or best.
It might also suggest we humans are far from nice, Democratic, caring, and empathic and that the political class in any system are simply a representation of the patriarchal nature of animals.
Every now and then new systems and rulership will emerge to overthrow or vote out the ones who have become weak: not keeping the tribe strong and healthy.
I wonder if a theocracy or autocracy would be anymore abusive than the democracy of the west.
Many states exist for decades of cycles with of such leadership and there are as many examples of good forms of this as there are bad. Likewise democracies.
The stage is set for king Ronnie.
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-- Edited by ian on Wednesday 22nd of April 2015 05:25:10 PM
just listened to Nick Clegg talk about a few hundred quid pay rise for nurses, police, teachers (of course he soft soaps it by giving an incremental spin) in a couple of years-what a joke.
While bankers pay and bonuses continue unabated from very high levels public sector workers have not had a pay rise for 5 years (2 years pay freeze, 2 year of 1% and a less than 1% the following year- inflation over those 5 years outstripping public sector pay by around 7 % with some taking pay cuts and job losses. I once had some belief in Nick and the liberals but they have destroyed that for some years to come.
First they hide behind the austerity packages and their big brothers (conservatives) and now they squeal about being forced to do things they didnt like.
A clearer example of politics you could not find.
The tories at least are honest and wont budge on their underselling of the public services promising no pay rise and not ruling out more pay cuts.
Labour remain guarded and and talk about respecting pay review boards but put no meat on the bones.
