maybe we will have to play some of our own players.

with respect to both of them, they both were no better than JCH.

Loanees are not the way forward. They go back and disrupt the squad. Now players have to step in with little game time behind them. I'm also sure that some players will feel a little put out by loanees coming straight into a starting place.

I miss the point when it comes to the transfer decisions.

1. Are we doing the mass loan thing for prudence to not put money into players that are ours that turn out to be a flop, Derbyshire & Bowery being the most expensive of those.

2. Are we doing it until the infrastructure is in place to offer higher wages?

3. Are we doing it to guard against contract costs for if we get relegated?

4. Have we got promoted too quickly? - As great as being in the Championship is, it maybe the 'vital components' of the plan for sustainability are not in place

5. Should we half expect a relegation back to L1, before we can be taken seriously in the championship?

Some things just don't add up for me, surely the ideal scenario for any promoted team is to already have kids chomping at the bit of the 1st team, and adding a handful of signed players to the promotion group should act as enough to enable you to compete. Compare that to what we've done and they're poles apart

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I miss the point when it comes to the transfer decisions.

1. Are we doing the mass loan thing for prudence to not put money into players that are ours that turn out to be a flop, Derbyshire & Bowery being the most expensive of those.

2. Are we doing it until the infrastructure is in place to offer higher wages?

3. Are we doing it to guard against contract costs for if we get relegated?

4. Have we got promoted too quickly? - As great as being in the Championship is, it maybe the 'vital components' of the plan for sustainability are not in place

5. Should we half expect a relegation back to L1, before we can be taken seriously in the championship?

Some things just don't add up for me, surely the ideal scenario for any promoted team is to already have kids chomping at the bit of the 1st team, and adding a handful of signed players to the promotion group should act as enough to enable you to compete. Compare that to what we've done and they're poles apart

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 see my topic on a comparison with Bournmouth.

Point 2 and 4 look good starting points to me.

Disappointed by the recall tbh. But I had (perhaps wrongly) assumed the best from Ledesma would come when Becchio returned - if he did.

The recent returns of loanees is worrying, especially if it continues. I feel we MUST use the next 30 days or so to secure this club's future in the Championship. I agree with others, we must have a stable and larger nucleus of regular starters. This main group should be the major influence for rest of season. We still have no recognised striker imo. Yes JCH has shown promise but he is far from the finished article and I still think a bit lazy. Relying on him or Bowery will end in tears. They are not good enough yet, to lead our assault.

For Me :-

We need a recognized, solid, pacey centre back - Signed sealed and delivered for a minimum of 2 years

The return of Becchio on loan

The return of Ledesma on loan

A proven goal scorer.

That lot means a spend of circa £5 million.

Do we have it or can we justify spending it with finance etc?

If we cannot do that, then I just don't see how we can stay up. Evo is starting to worry me - only in so far as he sees games through glasses I do not possess. I would love to see the positives he does in our games but they aren't there. We are not as good as last season imo. The players are somewhat confused with tactics and with all the new comers etc. The Championship is a much better league than Lge 1 I know. But I reckon our Wembley team with the addition of one quality striker and one quality centre back plus the retention of Tavs would have secured a higher Champs position.

The second half of this season could become very painful unless SE and Tony agree on a strategy which includes a smattering of quality proven players.

Whatever happens, I'm happy to be in this league but thought we might have learned from previous experiences how to survive in it slightly better. Love the Millers and won't ever stop supporting them. They have been wonderful over past two seasons but I fear it wont be easy getting out of Lge 1 again and I would rather chuck some (Not Daft) money at staying up in Champs. Current squad and excessive use of short term loan signings I fear is a wrong strategy.

Im a bit confused re the confusion over the loan system.

I would have thought the reason is obvious.

It allows us to get players that are better than the ones we have at low cost....we cannot afford to buy this standard of player.

In my view these loanees have improved us and in fact have not lost a game with them.

With respect to millers4ever, to suggest that we may be anywhere near to spending 5 million is just ridiculous.

We need loan players to keep us in the Championship and they probably will if Evans chooses correctly.

Evans clearly has not been given the resources to attract quality players...I would have thought that was obvious.

Games are not won on paper and those looking at the fixtures and giving us nil points will Im sure be surprised.

No offence taken Kempo.

I'm saying short term loans might help sometimes, they haven't for us.  We may be unbeaten in a while but we haven't won much either. The loan spells are way too short, resulting in us extracting what we can, when we can from such as Ledesma.  He hadn't even met any of the players or trained with them before he played.  That was woeful preparation. I also don't believe short term loanees can be focussed or that bothered.  They won't deliberately have a bad game but they are just pleased to be kicking a ball again in first team shirts. Doesn't really matter who's shirts they are wearing and no one dies if they play poorly.  Long term loan deals are fine, as demonstrated by Tavs last year.  It's the short termers that harm us I think.

I want RUFC players to be proud to pull on that shirt and fight like hell to keep it.  Saw some of that last 2 seasons and I have not seen it this.  Said before on some other post that I think we only needed two quality players - one striker and one defender to sign up. Retain Tavs and then get a couple of loaness - such as Becchio and Ledesma.  Could we have tried to keep Agard a little harder?

We weren't really a million miles away from Champs quality last season.  I feel we are now and I think last year's Wembley side would beat the current side.  Who is to say we aren't spending a shed load of money on these loanees anyway?

We are on countdown and that's why we either invest or we go down. It is the club's choice of course?

I'm saying we are running out of time and options.  No more scatter gun approach, we need a settled team

 

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-- Edited by Millers4Ever on Friday 2nd of January 2015 06:12:11 PM