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Round 2

 

Wycombe bother me . They were better than us last season and are currently better than us this.

 

They have what looks like a nice balance of young players in their prime and seasoned decent pros.

 

They have plenty of belief from their manager. They can keep clean sheets from winning positions and came back from 2 nil down to win 4-3 just a couple of weeks ago.

 

They look strong. 

 

The one doubt might be similar to our current fixture list in that they may not yet have faced a top 6 side. 

 

With icky probably missing, PW also has to shuffle the pack and decide if Harding slips into the left centreback position or he tries mattock there . Player preference I'm sure would be for mattock to start. They are strong from crosses and set pieces so that is a bit of a worry. 

 

I particularly like their midfield. It looks dynamic and skilful and as one would expect they will be as physically committed as we generally are.

 

Bit of a hoodoo vibe about this one.  PW , and co will need to believe they can get the better of them and reverse the previous drubbing.

 

N.B. we have only won ONE in the last ELEVEN 

 

Picking up the second ball deep in our third will be crucial to this one I think. Their midfielders have some potent long range strikers 

 

 

 



-- Edited by ian on Monday 18th of October 2021 05:22:06 PM

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The Chairboys turn up tomorrow night and have a good record against us. They performed very well in the championship last season and have started well this season. However, when they have met top ten teams they haven't won one this season. Drawing at home to Wigan, losing away to Sunderland and M.K Dons and drawing away at Oxford. If we perform as we can i think we will beat them.

No doubt about it Wycombe pulled off a coup when they signed Vokes. After saying that his time at Stoke was not great with him scoring only eight times in seventy eight appearances. He wasn't even on the bench against Donny on Saturday so whether he is injured or suspended i don't know. I would prefer that great 39 yr old lump Akinfenwa to be playing against us rather than Vokes. They have another older player in Garath McCleary, 34 yrs old and playing eight years at Reading before joining at Wycombe. He can play in the number ten role or in midfield. Josh Scowen is another with championship experience with Barnsley and Q.P.R and is a decent player. They will be a tough team to beat and i think they will set up to keep it tight and look to set pieces as their main weapon.

We have some injury niggles. Viking and Ihiekwe are doubts. Vickers will be fine if he plays, but i would like to see Ihiekwe pass his fitness test as he is good in the air and they will use high balls to put us under pressure. Do we start Ogbene from the word go? I would and play Harding behind him. Tough on Reg i know but for me Harding is one of the best right backs in the league so should play.
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Vickers
Harding Wood Ihiekwe

Ogbene Barlaser Rathbone Wiles Ferguson

Smith Grigg.

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Vokes didnt play on Saturday because his wife/partner gave birth a day or so before the game. The noises are that he will be available for tomorrow. I respect what Wycombe achieved but they have a side to them that I dont like. They play quite a physical game but they also became very adept at the dark arts of diving, pressuring the referee and time wasting. We owe them one and I hope we make good on it tomorrow. It would put a marker down of we could thump Pompey and beat Wycombe in consecutive games. I agree about playing Ogbene from the off. I would also play Ferguson. REG and Miller have done nothing at all wrong, but we ask a lot of our wing backs and it feels right to freshen it upland give Ogbene and Ferguson starts. Harding's extra size and strength gets him the nod from me ahead of REG for this particular fixture as the right sided centre back. I'm also comfortable with Vickers playing if needed.

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Interesting debate to be had regarding the defensive options if icky out. Like you Whiston I hope he is fit but it didn't look like the kind of injury he would just shake off.

Ogbene , one would think is sure to start but PW does like to make changes at times and he may well plumb for sadlier and Harding to start. Having said that I think ogbene is putting in some decent defensive duties to, and that's another area he's better than sadlier in.

Down that left Bola looks like he's missing out at moment but if mattock is chosen then miller or bola have the pace to support him ferguson seems to be preferred aa very much an attacking option.

With lots of guessing due to icky and viking being doubtful ill go with this.

Vickers

REG Woody mattock

Ogbene barlasar rathbone wiles miller

Smith grigg

Barlasar does get caught at least once a game.

With PW seemingly committed to the current style of attack being the best form of defence -much like Ainsworth-i wonder what the scenario is where We might see what odoffin has to offer.


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Barker says icky and Victor both passed fit but hinted that they wouldn't play anyone not 100% .

Good news nevertheless .

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Love to get a win for two reasons 1 up the league we go 2 ainsworth face will be a picture

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Wycombe actually DO play like everyone thinks we do, an awful but effective team to watch. Lots of effort & commitment but Wycombe allowed us very little space, defended really well, Stewart at CB was exceptional, final ball wasn't there but WE DIDNT LOSE.
Vickers looked calm & assured in goal, REG excellent again, Wiles was like a terrier in three positions, war of attrition tonight ending in stalemate, not overly unhappy with that, I could be a Pompey fan

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Good point that what a horrible team to play against

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Wycombe are good at what they do. They whinge, pressurise the officials, feign injury, waste time, and do whatever they can to slow the game down and generally get under everyone's skin. It is easy to get sucked into a bit of an arm wrestle with them and that is what happened tonight. They are also very well organised and have a sprinkling of decent players. They are horrible, and they are very good at being horrible. The game had no flow at all and a few of our lads seemed a bit off the pace. It is a decent point against a side that will have a good season, so not the end of the world. One to forget and move quickly on from.

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Decent performance against a very good side.

We did have the better of it, but it looked like a draw all night.

I'm encouraged we held our own and fought to a draw against very good but difficult opponents.

Saturday brings an entirely different test.

Tonight reminds us that winning anything this season will mean being tested in every area of the game.

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Can't add much to what has been said, good point in a lot of ways...

But no-one has mentioned the Ref! He was woof, and I thought he added to Wycombe's game and didn't see much of what they did to us, but never missed a trick to punish us...

onwards - overall very happy with this squad - with the exception of my personal winge for the last 3 seasons that we should have properly replaced Mattock a long long time ago...

Special mention for Ben Wiles who is back to his best, MOM for me.

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Awful game, opponents have worked out how to nullify ogbene, once some one is in front of him he cant cross. And a winger should be able to do that.yes he does track back. But our strikers need the service from the wings. Sadlier is an option maybe been dropped for lack in defensive role may imprive his postioning off the ball. Vickers did well Mattock well least said the better,injury prone and we need a replacement in jan or bring tilt back Midfield of barlaser wiles and rathbone is working well. Up front smith and griggs are linking up Ladapo seem disinterested and we need him firing v sunderland.

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If I never see Wycombe again, it will be too early! I hear everything that has been said about them being effective and good at what they do, but for me they do football a disservice. Everything that is bad about the game can be found in spades under Ainsworth; timewasting, cynical fouls, diving, feigning serious injury, inciting clashes aimed at getting players sent off - all deliberate tactics to gain an advantage rather than attempting to beat the opposition through superior footballing skills. The irony is, they had some really decent footballers and their counter attacking ability in the first half was superb and looked more likely to deliver a goal than any other tactic by either team. I was pleased to hear the final whistle (about the only thing the pathetic ref got right all night) and I was satisfied with a point. I feel sorry for Wycombe fans, they have to watch that rubbish every week.

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You're right Glenn. Looking at their message board they dont see it. They just think its gamesmanship that all sides do, and sour grapes on our part because we didnt win. And yes, all teams have been known to time waste a bit, maybe dive every now and again, work the referee a bit etc. We do that too. But they take it to the next level. Examples. Pretending not to know the ref has waved their physio on to waste an extra minute. Subs coincidentally sprinting out to warm up and get in our corner takers way every time we got one in the north west corner. Jacobson grabbing Smith's shirt by the collar and holding on to it for literally a minute when there was a break in play to try, obviously to try and provoke a reaction. A player being subbed (Horgan) stopping to roll down his socks and remove his shin pads when he was ten yards away from leaving the field. Players pretending to have head injuries when nobody had been near their head. Sending a player back on before the ref had waved him on, so that the ref had to send him off again thus eating up another thirty seconds. Stockdale wasted about the maximum time he could without getting carded. Just a few examples. The ref was either naively oblivious to it all or didnt mind it. It isnt very rock and roll at all. It's just very, very irritating and it makes for dire viewing. I've no problem with them being quite physical and in your face with their playing style. So are we. Like us, they work very hard and they have some very good players. I respect all of that and I never have a problem with us not being able to beat good sides. But they arent going to win any friends with their cynical approach to 'game management'. In the end I didnt really care about the result. I just wanted the game to end because it all left a bitter taste in the mouth. I dont suppose Wycombe fans mind while ever they are getting results, but personally I couldnt be proud to support that team if that is how they carry on every week. Which is a shame because on the purely football side they are good and do a lot of things very well.

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I think Wycombe did last night what they have been doing for a long time. It wasn't unexpected or shouldn't have been. Yes, they will timewaste, dive about,feign injury and commit cynical fouls. However, they were the away team coming to an in form side and gave their opponents little or no chances to score. I cannot remember their goalkeeper having a save to make of any meaning. Our goalkeeper had little to do as well. He either saved the free kick or it hit the post and that was the nearest anybody came to scoring all night.

The two centre backs of Wycombe, Stewart and Tafazolli gave Smith and Grigg nothing all night. Ladapo came on and added a bit of urgency and had a shot blocked. Rathbone trickled one to the goalkeeper and a six yard scramble which resulted in wood being penalised was as near as we got all night. In the first half McLeary was the best offensive player on the pitch and as somebody has already said their counter attacking looked decent. In the second half McCleary tired and we got the ball down and played more with Barlaser and Wiles putting in a good performance. The final killer ball was missing and they comfortably saw out the night to get a point.

Nobody had a bad game for us but nobody took control of the game for long enough periods either. Sad to see Mattock injured again but i think he should never have been put in this position. He can now only be a fringe player and certainly not first choice left sided defender. Whether McDonald will ever play again for us is unclear. It looks like Ihiekwe and Harding will fill the left side role from now on, a position that neither look comfortable with especially with diagonal balls and to players with pace, which is what M.K Dons have on Saturday. It is our achiles heel and might be the difference between top six or just outside it. One final comment. Somebody has said Ladapo didn't look bothered. Well, i think he did more in the third of the game he played than Grigg did in his two thirds of the game. I accept Smith and Grigg got very little service but sometimes you after offer more than what Grigg contributed last night which in my opinion was nothing.

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I am glad we do not play the dark arts like they do, however we need to be a little smarter and add some of it to our game and be smart enough not to react when they do it. Wiles is the only rotherham player that when he is fouled stays down, it makes a huge difference to how the officials deal with an incident. The ref was terrible, he will know what their approach is yet he fell for it and not only that encouraged it by not stamping it out early on, laughing and joking with their players at every opportunity and inciting the crowd with his clapping at the chants, he was completely unprofessional.
Regarding the game, it wasn't a great game we were better 2nd half but never looked like scoring, Ogbene was awful and seemed quite slow getting outrun on numerous occassions, not his best game he didn't look 100% fit to me, but who knows. I don't understand why we don't have a plan B to change the tactics and style of the game, for matches like that where the opposition have cancelled out our threat. We did like for like subs which was a missed opportunity for me, the first one was forced on us and no issue with that, the 2nd one was a chance to try something different with 20 mins to go, by changing the tactics then it means they have to react to that and their original game plan isn't valid. We could have brought on Odiffin (however it is spelt!!) and pushed wiles/Rathbone up behind Smith , this would have enabled players running from a deeper position to collect off of Smith, or we could have put Sadlier in that position and kept a very capable middle 3 together.
However it is a point against a top team so we move on, some difficult games ahead, with a massive shortage of fully fit defenders. A last comment on Mattock, he started the game well in that position, however he is now at the end of his career, his injury problems are getting worse we need to look to close out his contract in january and spend his wages on a younger defender, if we are short on cash and that is why Tilt had to go out on loan, can we really afford to carry someone like mattock, he has been a good player for the club but it is now time to move on.



-- Edited by derbymiller on Wednesday 20th of October 2021 09:41:06 AM

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Irritating about covers it Smiler! When you compare the battle of attrition served up last night to the sheer entertainment of the RUFC v Portsmouth fixture, it's like comparing two different sports - and I know which one I prefer.

Anyway, I'm drawing a line under Wycombe and refuse to lend any more of my time in analysing their issues!

Bring on MK Dons!!

Onwards and upwards.

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