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What sort of club do we want RUFC to be?

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I have some interesting conversations in the NY Tavern before games about Rotherham's status, lack of investment, business management etc etc, as I'm sure most Millers' fans do frequently. I'm very much a fan of Tony Stewart's careful financial management - keeping the club clear of risky debt and ensuring that RUFC, as a business, is a going concern. The key topic of concern appears to be the lack of investment in a £1M plus striker which suggests that we have no ambition to maintain our Championship status. 

I think TS is faced with a significant conundrum. He and the management staff probably realise that an expensive striker (and £1M probably wouldn't buy someone of Smith's quality) will make little impact on our results. Smith, who has been a revelation, survives on scraps, mainly at head height, and unless we have the quality to produce better service into our forward/s, whatever their value, we will struggle to score many goals.  Hence the thinking is probably that we need to invest in better quality midfielders to be able to provide that service.  I think the answer is, we either spend massively (£20M+) to improve our quality all over the pitch, or we continue to survive on PW's hard working, fit, honest and never say die approach on a thin budget. 

The former solution requires outside investment and all the risks associated with loosing control. The current solution has risks associated with Championship survival but retains the club's identity, integrity and sustainability.  It's a difficult choice but it's one which the RUFC management have to consider seriously. I'm not a fan of foreign investment and I think I would derive greater pleasure in seeing RUFC outperform our rich adversaries on a fraction of their budgets than buying in success with all it's associated risks.  

 



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Im not sure how we would be able to justify million pound plus players and wages while we struggle to get over 7,000 home fans through the gate what with Financial fair play. We may be on a thin budget but at least we aren't cheating which half the clubs in the championship seem to be doing.

Id like us to be more proactive sorting out contracts, we always put ourselves in a situation where our better players enter the final year and then time and again scratch our heads when they leave for next to nothing. Players such as Vaulks, Ajayi, Williams to name a few should all have been approached by now about staying. We can't afford to replace them so lets try and keep them.

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I'd like to know what actually is the modus operandi of the club, because it seems to me what is said seems to be at odds with what is done. The recent interview by TS is a case in point where once again he talks about the dream of getting into the Premiership; which could conceivably happen but I would suggest not in my or many other Millers life time, so why spout off about it. Many on here saw it for what it was..nonsense.

In addition when being interviewed on the Wembley pitch after the win he talked of his pride, that he and the management had been ill prepared last time round, that lessons had been learned, all of which remains to be seen. But more importantly he said, as before, finance was in place for investment. Now, did he mean investment in the training facilities because its my guess most of us took that to mean there was money available to PW to strengthen the squad, if so the summer recruitment seemed to follow previous years recruitment…something of a non event; thats not intended to be a sleight against the players brought in as they have proved so far to be grafters and wholeheartedly put a shift in, but its not what we were expecting.

We're not puddings, we all know we can't compete financially, so the cynicism creeps in hearing the I have a dream slogan. Bosh.

So I would like to see a club that is as open and transparent with the public as they can be with a clear business framework and a well run and structured youth policy, added to that the point raised by C in his last sentence. Also an acknowledgement that money is short but football is expensive theses days, so I would like to see incentives for people to attend games, not just for the odd match but to get involved in the whole match day experience, to feel they are getting welcomed, looked after, valued and invited to be a part of Rotherham United, and not just a weekly cash cow.

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towlad good post

I am sorry I do not think we need to spend £20plus as the first post implies, I think you can buy a lot better striker than Smith for £1 or £2m as well, remember he was a free transfer as bury didn't want him?????

I think that some investment and some attempt to try and give the fans a feeling the board were trying to help warne with the team would have added 500 to 1000 to the crowd .

I am not asking us to mis-manage the club we have earned between £7m and £9m from being in this league surely some of that could have been put into the team. Do not state wages are higher, even if they are it will be around 20% the squad is smaller this year with less high earners as well.



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No way Smith is worth £2M thats just lunacy - KM was reportedly offered to us for 500k and we didn't bite. If we arent investing then stop making us look stupid by saying we are heading for PL. Noone knows if the club is being operated one way or the other because they publish the accounts they want to. We need a very modest investment to compete in this league - we would need a massive investment to progress.

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Look how many millions Wednesday (for 2-3 seasons), Hull & Derby throw at it and never reach the 'promised land'.

I also cringe when any comparison is made to Huddersfield, and worse Bournemouth which is a massive metropolis awash with people with money to spend. Hudderfield have historically always been a bigger club than us and have less competition immediately around them.

I'm actually pleased with the coaching and playing side - I think they're doing everything they physically and mentally can. If the board have learned lessons or are this time not 'ill prepared' remains to be seen. I guess we'll find out how they balance investment with on and off field projects. For me the biggest let down, disappointment and almost makes you wanna throw ya hands up and give up, is how badly engaged the local public are with the football club. The attendances for a population our size really are pathetic and on those alone we don't deserve a Champ club and those fighting tooth and nail to make it / keep it so must be so deflated by it.

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I agree, particularly with your last paragraph Ex, but I'm not surprised at the poor gates. Its very expensive these days to watch a hour and half of entertainment. Arm chair fans need to know that this time it's different, that we're not getting a pasting week in week out (which we're not) and without repeating myself too much there needs to be a fostering of good will towards every single supporter, even if its just a smile when they take the money from you. The club and its league status needs to be marketed a whole lot better with loyalty rewards and other incentives. If Ronald MaDonald can flog reconstituted, sweetened, coloured, slop all over the world to millions of people then the club ought to be able to back an effort to attract one or 2 thou more through the gates and then cultivate loyalty. Surely thats the basis of good business. BUT, there needs to be a good end product too; so far so good on that point.

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The thing is i dont believe a word tony about budgets anymore. What has the 9M That we got from.promotion and wembley spent on Yes some of it on wages increases i understand. Another question who decides if a player goes on loan the manager or chairman I heard a whisper at our club its the chairman. In regards funds the only way TS will.spend a significant amount of money will be if and i hate to say it we sell ajayi if a big bid comes in but then again will.warne get the money My thought is No

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One thing I remember Tony Stewart saying. This is the sort of club we are to me. Tony Stewart said this a few years ago, don't know if he heard this in an old cowboy film. We are a Band of Brothers. No big time charlies, playing as a team. To move to the next level we will have to get players in who are more individuals but for now it's about survival. Want us in the Championship next season. Rotherham public could help by filling the home seats available. Worth watching Warney's side. Battlers best way to describe them with some ability thrown in for good measure. Worth going to for Ajayi whose turning out to be the best CB we've had for a few years, also Vaulks whose not without ability but he puts everything in leaves nothing on the pitch. Backed up with some solid performers, abit of skill from the likes of Williams & Newell. We lack a goalscorer, sort that out in January we'll be ok this season.

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The thing is i dont believe a word tony about budgets anymore. What has the 9M That we got from.promotion and wembley spent on Yes some of it on wages increases i understand. Another question who decides if a player goes on loan the manager or chairman I heard a whisper at our club its the chairman. In regards funds the only way TS will.spend a significant amount of money will be if and i hate to say it we sell ajayi if a big bid comes in but then again will.warne get the money My thought is No


 The "band of brothers" ideal is what it is, a lovely idealistic dream but in Championship money driven terms it remains just that, a dream, an ideal. I agree 100% with Hillsborough miller, we simply will not spend any money even if we got £3m+ for Semi. To survive & even grow as a football club you have to show a modi*** of ambition & sadly the upper echelons of the club are woefully inadequate in that.



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