Paul losing is not the problem today, it was a difficult first game, however your weakness as football manager was. You have done a great job last season, you also had a lot of games in the Championship the season before, you saw how hard it is. You were at the club when Warnock performed his miracle, surely you learned something then or were you just fetching the green tea for Neil. There is no excuse, for playing 10 of the promotion team, everyone that knows the basics of football knows those players will struggle in the championship. Mattock struggled in league 1, was out of position constantly and allowed more crosses to be posted than the Roman empire. I understand Wood has a contract until 2020, surly not as a first team player, we cannot be that naive. You brought in new defenders, knowing that we would need experienced championship defenders and they all sit on the bench, including the only forward you have added to the team. How Brentford play is well known, it isn't secret that was told to you 2 mins before kick-off, yet you only have 2 players in the middle of the park. Then our tactics are win the ball and leather it hard for smith to chase, guess what we are constantly under pressure. I do not want you to be loyal to your mates that drink green tea and attend your Sunday morning yoga class, I want you to engage your brain and go away from home and be very very very hard to break down, to have at least some pace in the team that can counter attack, to train the players to put more than 2 passes together and pick the best 11. This is classed as the hardest league in europe, scrapping points away from home with the odd boring 1-0 win added to a reasonable home record, may and I do mean may allow us to stay in this league, if we do go down like that at least we won't have 9 months of being shooting practice for ex-premier league players at the other clubs. If TS is not allowing us to invest, tell us stand up and be open with the fans and then it is up to TS to defend that decision not you.
Good look next week against Ipswich, because you will need it
"If TS is not allowing us to invest, tell us stand up and be open with the fans and then it is up to TS to defend that decision not you"
Why do you think Warne got the job ? Because of his experience in the champions league - NO - To toe the line!
KJ ran a mile - EVO went so far then left - 2 3 year projects made a fist of it and used their contacts to bring in "youth" but not given the money BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY TIME for any foundations to be laid. That was the TS genius move. However did anybody else apply for the job after KJ was seen sprinting down the M1.
No PW is it - he'll never speak out of turn - it's no skin off his nose - he's ring fenced and simply the bet he can.
That is not the best that could be / should be done - no - it's the best he can do !
The conspiracy theories and the unbridled criticism has started very early...unless there is a thread I am missing from last seasons spectacular season.
"conspiracy theories" NO ! This is all well do***ented facts and figures. We all know what's happened - the problems associated with what has happened may well be becoming apparent.
League one was awful ! Our championship history is ( in my opinion ) resurfacing - with the same closed season worries. But have we learned from the past....? Thus far - NO - evidently !
"If TS is not allowing us to invest, tell us stand up and be open with the fans and then it is up to TS to defend that decision not you" Why do you think Warne got the job ? Because of his experience in the champions league - NO - To toe the line! KJ ran a mile - EVO went so far then left - 2 3 year projects made a fist of it and used their contacts to bring in "youth" but not given the money BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY TIME for any foundations to be laid. That was the TS genius move. However did anybody else apply for the job after KJ was seen sprinting down the M1. No PW is it - he'll never speak out of turn - it's no skin off his nose - he's ring fenced and simply the bet he can. That is not the best that could be / should be done - no - it's the best he can do !
For the avoidance of any doubt, no part of the content of the above post is fact. It is not even opinion. It is conspiracy theory based on nothing but the workings of the mind of a man who thinks that SHOUTING things in CAPITALS will make his points MORE PERSUASIVE. The post is insulting to a Chairman who may not be perfect but without whom we would have no club at all, and it is insulting to a Manager who just won us a promotion that the above poster thought was beyond him.
We are one game into the new season and we have posters who were relatively quiet (one who didn't post anything for a few weeks post-Wembley) while things were going well who just couldn't wait to get started with the criticism.
We are a small fish in a very big pond. There may be valid criticisms that can be levelled at the Chairman, Manager and Players, and we all have our views on the relative merits of our players, different formations etc. But piling into them the usual invective after a single away game is uncalled for. We are likely to struggle but hopefully we will get in the best players we can afford, learn and adapt and improve quickly, and give it a good go. If anyone has got £20m or £30m lying around to fund a couple of transfers and a higher wage bill, that would probably assist.
"no part of the content of the above post is fact" - Everyone - who follows Rotherham United knows that everything within the post to which you refer is true. PW is doing his best but like his predecessors his hands are tied - we are a small club but we are making the same mistakes. We will still be here in 10 years and that's the bottom line and is acceptable. But will we prosper under the very apparent restraints.
PS: I was answering Derby's post requesting that PW stand up and states the real restraints he is working under. I simply responded why he will never do that - and why he got the job. No conspiracy - well known to Millers followers.
Even in your rebuke of me which is fine - you acknowledge the very same points. The Championship is a ever growing beast that we all understand! So knowing this - been there - done that - have the 'T' shirt....the burning question is. Why set about a new business venture - ( knowing the championship from previous associations ) being under capitalised ? ? ?
What must clubs do to comply with FFP?
Uefa made its first FFP ruling in April based on club accounts from the 2011-12 and 2012-13 seasons.
Clubs can spend up to 5m euros (£3.9m) more than they earn per assessment period, although, under this monitoring period, total losses of 45m euros (£35m) were permitted as long as clubs had owners who could cover such amounts.
From now on, the assessment will be made over a rolling three-year period.
What is covered by FFP?
Clubs need to balance football-related expenditure - transfers and wages - with television and ticket income, plus revenues raised by their commercial departments. Money spent on stadiums, training facilities, youth development or community projects is exempt.
Someone else can do the sums but I don't think we're close to getting into trouble just yet !
Why dont you just accept weve got no money and will probably be taking the drop again? It takes the stress out of all this. We just dont have the cash and bleating isn't going to bring any in. PW is playing with what he can afford and without 5 or 6 players we are also going to be odds on to go back down.
smiler when people post and do not post is irrelevant, perhaps people only post when they feel strongly about a particular point rather than post constantly with a load of crap.
The we are only one game in is not really the point, my issues are about how badly I believe the club have prepared for the championship at all levels. For some strange reason when someone complains people assume they are asking for £10m to be spent, which is not true. What I expect is some degree of honesty and transparency from the board on or investment strategy. I expect a inexperienced manager to call on more experienced people to help him, I expect us to look further than the UK or league1 and league 2 for players, I expect us to put results ahead of wembley loyalty, I expect us to not offload a £300k defender on loan when the guy left to play there has ZERO (sorry for capitals) positioning strength , I expect us not play naive school boy tactics in a league driven by hard closing down and passing. As I have said elsewhere, it is never about losing it is always about the manner in which we lose and the simple mistakes. If the club has zero plans to invest to try and stay up, then tell us so at least we know. Then next season, do not try to get promoted there is no point if we never intend to build on it.
Now if what I ask for is unreasonable so be it, but perhaps I am not used to accepting third rate outcomes in my life and perhaps other people are just used to failure.
The one thing I will not be is quiet when I have something to say, it is a message board after ll, you make it sound that only you and those that share your views can speak and then only speak when you say so, guess what you are not in control. Now if you want a sensible debate about something related to the club, then let us have it, otherwise get off my case
You're perfectly entitled to an opinion Derby. I don't expect everyone to agree. But I am also entitled to my opinion. I think its sad that supporters of all clubs are so quick to turn on them these days, and our supporters are no different. That's my opinion. You post what you like when you like. Its all good. On Purrington, I don't really rate Mattock but I never thought Purrington never did enough to force his way past him into the side. He never looked to me like he wanted to be here.
Just watched Paul Warne’s post match interview again. Honest enough to admit his tactical naivity (though not team selection) yet still supportive of his players even after stating they were second best. He’s a decent bloke who’s still learning on the job.
I would though, also certainly like to see his honesty extend higher up in company. I’m big enough to accept there isn’t any money for new players.
That does raise the question of what is the point being promoted if we cannot ever consolidate our position?
You're perfectly entitled to an opinion Derby. I don't expect everyone to agree. But I am also entitled to my opinion. I think its sad that supporters of all clubs are so quick to turn on them these days, and our supporters are no different. That's my opinion. You post what you like when you like. Its all good. On Purrington, I don't really rate Mattock but I never thought Purrington never did enough to force his way past him into the side. He never looked to me like he wanted to be here.
Smiler, I think you are banging your head against a brick wall. Gone are the days when you could come on this board and enjoy a friendly debate about the machinations of our club without fearing an onslaught of childishness and unpleasantness for having an opposing opinion; many of us enjoying the good mannered camaraderie as opposed to the viciousness of MM.
It seems now we have to have argument, with many posters becoming divided into 'camps' whether its about JCH, lack of quality, Stubbs et al, or a more pragmatic optimistic view of what we are 'now', which none the less can be at times critical of the way things seem to be done.
Things have gradually degenerated with the arrival of MM emigres who are by their very nature dragging the tone and content of debate on here into the mud pit from whence they came. We are bombarded by this wearisome bewailing of the past and past mistakes and the denigration of the present.
I dont post very often, principally because I do not have the in depth knowledge of the game, as many clearly do, or of who's who and lack knowledge of players from other clubs; the 60's and 70's was my era. But I was never afraid to put forward a view if I felt qualified to do so. Its very sad that I no longer feel able to engage and present my pen'orth for fear of whats lurking in the depths of aggressive keyboard mania.
The thin edge of the wedge, Millers Banter becoming MM2 ? I hope not.
Don't wish to appear pedantic bur isn't your post about free thought - even if not "mainstream".
"Gone are the days when you could come on this board and enjoy a friendly debate about the machinations of our club without fearing an onslaught of childishness and unpleasantness for having an opposing opinion"
Respecting everyone's view is essential !
MM had a tendency to get personal and threatening. I was threatened to have my real name and address posted and "outed" as a child molester! And bricks through my windows. I complained - I was banned for LIFE. The perpetrator still mates with Frog!
This site is far better and allows fans to vent their spleen from time to time. You can see certain things annoy some when others don't see a problem. That cycle of events is allowed to flow on Banter - the Millers Mad Morons are collectively bullying non clique members and like All bully's hold onto Frogs coat tails for security. Post away in freedom one and all! Agree or not - Understand or not - shouldn't be greeted by peronal insults - EVER - WE'RE ALL MILLERS ARN'T WE !
Important point to remember is that not all posters are as comfortable with the written word as others AND express themselves in a variety of ways perhaps not accepted in "polite society". It's lie being on the TIVOLI with some guys as rough as a bears arse BUT Millers through and through and very passionate. But not as articulate as your good self - takes all sorts.
You're perfectly entitled to an opinion Derby. I don't expect everyone to agree. But I am also entitled to my opinion. I think its sad that supporters of all clubs are so quick to turn on them these days, and our supporters are no different. That's my opinion. You post what you like when you like. Its all good. On Purrington, I don't really rate Mattock but I never thought Purrington never did enough to force his way past him into the side. He never looked to me like he wanted to be here.
Smiler, I think you are banging your head against a brick wall. Gone are the days when you could come on this board and enjoy a friendly debate about the machinations of our club without fearing an onslaught of childishness and unpleasantness for having an opposing opinion; many of us enjoying the good mannered camaraderie as opposed to the viciousness of MM.
It seems now we have to have argument, with many posters becoming divided into 'camps' whether its about JCH, lack of quality, Stubbs et al, or a more pragmatic optimistic view of what we are 'now', which none the less can be at times critical of the way things seem to be done.
Things have gradually degenerated with the arrival of MM emigres who are by their very nature dragging the tone and content of debate on here into the mud pit from whence they came. We are bombarded by this wearisome bewailing of the past and past mistakes and the denigration of the present.
I dont post very often, principally because I do not have the in depth knowledge of the game, as many clearly do, or of who's who and lack knowledge of players from other clubs; the 60's and 70's was my era. But I was never afraid to put forward a view if I felt qualified to do so. Its very sad that I no longer feel able to engage and present my pen'orth for fear of whats lurking in the depths of aggressive keyboard mania.
The thin edge of the wedge, Millers Banter becoming MM2 ? I hope not.
that was my thought exactly
free speech and and well thought out opinions are welcome but repetitive opinions are boring and annoying
we all want the best for the club and we are all of the same opinion we are a small club with a chairman seemingly unable, unwilling or just wont gamble and pay for the sort of player we will need to not only survive but become an established team in the 2nd tier
but doing it on the cheap wont do it and going to for the musketeer team approach wont do it as their are better swordsman out there who we dont have have and they will put us to the sword like brentford
they came up with us to the championship last time and have with the right investment become established which we didnt
certain posters are frequently reminding us of this. we know this fact we may not like it we just support the club we dont own it
-- Edited by hillsborough miller on Tuesday 7th of August 2018 10:15:16 AM
