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Utter nonsense. The biggest game in the world ruined by a terrible decision.

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Football can be cruel at times!! There's only been one team in it and they are losing 3-1.

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Croatia would have got away with it before VAR. In the rules of the game it was a pen'.

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Never a pen in a million years. No way in the world he intentionally handled it. He moved his hand down towards his side thinking the French player was going to head it, the French player missed it and it hit his hand from a yard away. Never ever a pen. Add it to a blatant dive to get the free kick for the first and Croatia have every right to feel very unlucky.

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Rules of the game its not a pen. 'Deliberate Act' and that's what the referee has interpreted it as, pretty awful why he changed his mind is beyond me.

Everyone can see Croatia were better from start to finish, but that doesn't always do it does it - cruel. 3rd goal for France where they went to sleep on Droba was the killer.

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Many of us, myself included, have argued for many years for the introduction of technology to see that the right decisions in such high profile games are made. However after the debacle of the missed 'dive' for France's 1st and the abysmal decision made by the ref using technology for the penalty, I have completely changed my mind.

Referees are only human, some better than others, some, maybe a little bias, but all have to make snap decisions in a fraction of a second; and many's the time we have seen, with the benefit of technology how easy it is to be wrong. But today, even with the use of VAR the referee can still get it wrong.

Lets leave technology for others and lets get back to human frailty and arguments that last for years as to whether the ball crossed the line or not; it makes the game.

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100% agree Towdlad. Happy enough with goal line technology but scrap the rest of it. It's bad enough already with 4th officials interfering. Hopefully it will always prove too expensive to introduce at our level.

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It was hand to ball. Perisic brought his left arm down to meet the ball. I have watched it over and over. Hand to ball. Penalty. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday it was a penalty. Macron's Marvels were far and away the better team. Croatia bullied a number of the England players when they played them last Wednesday. The French were too clever and too quick for the Croats. The latter passing the ball too much hoping to walk it into the back of the net. France were more direct.

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Of course the hand came down. Thats what happens when you jump into the air, its the mechanics of jumping. Try it. When you leap into the air, you raise your arms and as such the hands are also in the air. At the apex of the leap the hands and arms begin to come down.

In this case, the French guy, who is in front, lunges forward to head the ball but misses. The ball in effect runs down his back and meets the Croat's hand and knee (hand first) which are in a downward motion from the apex of the leap. The ball does clearly hit the hand, but it is more ball to hand rather than hand ball, which are two separate things.

In real time, all this happens in a nano second, and I doubt whether the Croat was aware of it happening at that moment, as he too had gone to head the ball.

Deliberate use of the hand to gain an advantage.....??? Really.....? Not in a million years never mind a week.

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Spot on Calypso - the second ridiculous decision of the game - both of which ended up presenting undeserved goals to the French, against the run of play. As for France being the better side - had they not got their unjust advantages, Croatia might have continued to dominate the game and could well have ended up winning. As it was, Croatia twice had to change their style to come from behind, thereby offering France the chance to hit them on the counter. So no, France weren't the better side, they just made the most of their fortunate advantages. This is not sour grapes by the way - I tipped France to win the competition from the off.

As for technology - I think they should scrap all elements that require a human intervention. So, keep goal line and offside technology but get rid of everything else that depends on a human to make a judgement. Rather than a human, let the Ref decide!!

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Player put his hand down obstructing the ball getting through. Harsh but fact. France was the side most likely. Who wants to see a pedestrian side like Croatia win it. Belgium were the 2nd best side there. Brazil would have done better if they hadn't have played Neymar & Jesus.

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It was brilliant to see Pogba and Mbappe both score a goal in the Final. Mbappe still a teenager given the chance to shine on a huge stage. The also rans in the tournament need to work harder to reach the quality displayed by the French National team.

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"A handball occurs if any player, other than the team's goalkeeper within his own penalty area, deliberately handles the ball when in play." If anyone thinks Perisic had the time and inclination to 'deliberately' handle the ball, one nano-second after the French guy in front of him missed his header, then they must think he is superman.

Because the appalling decision was made in a World Cup Final, it now sets a precedent for all football throughout the world and we will see the most ridiculous penalties awarded as a result. Too much technology is killing the game!

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Definitely not a penalty for me as well.

As for VAR, I would scrap it completely. Surely it was born out of the pointless and unfair post match trial by television of decisions a referee makes. I would rather go along with the honest decision a referee makes in real time. It’s a very fast game and mistakes will be made but that is, for me, part and parcel of what the game is. Undoubtedly there will be occasions when you win some, lose some. That’s life. 

As for even claiming a penalty that clearly wasn’t. That is also cheating and indicative of the lack of honesty and integrity of some players. From blatant dives, to the “oh, I felt contact so am entitled to go down”, to intentionally kicking a ball against someones’s arm, it’s all cheating. Even to the minor transgression of always claiming a throw in when they know it came off themselves. I can’t be doing with it.

VAR actively encourages players to question decisions. I would by far prefer the other extreme where players accept the referee’s authority and get on with the game.

 



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VAR if it's going to come in as got to be done independently by people qualified to do it. You don't get the umpire at Wimbledon or at Test matches making the decision after a review.

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Absolutely agree Royston, especially the last sentence.

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It'd be great to have VAR in operation. Can't wait. It'll add another dimension to the game. I'd say it'd help to stop the cheating which is prevalent in today's game.

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But Var won't stop the cheating and it didn't stop the cheating. If it had worked, England would have had a hat full of penalties when you consider the blatant mauling and fouling of Harry Kane in the early stages. Neither did it stop the french guy from diving when the French scored from the resulting free kick.

The only value it has is when the ref is unsure and wants another look. If he feels he has seen an incident correctly then he stands by his decision without the use of VAR.

In the case in point, clearly he was duped by the French and awarded a free kick believing he had 'seen' the incident correctly. They cheated and he was wrong and France were rewarded with a goal for their duplicity VAR didn't come into it.

Even with Var, it seemed to me the only reason the ref took a second look was because he was mobbed by the French, which could be argued is also a form of cheating……and he still got it wrong and punished the Croats with a penalty. French duplicity again wins the day.

As I said in my earlier post, I have always been in favour of the use of technology, but after the World Cup Final game I now think it should be consigned to the dustbin. As someone else mentioned, it's killing the game that is all the better for its faults.

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My thinking on VAR has crystalised a bit during the World Cup. A few basic principles inform my thinking on it.

Nothing will stop players cheating when they can. Use of VAR in the World Cup hasn't stopped it. Players will still appeal when they know they have it wrong, will dive, will feign injury, waste time etc. Sadly, the rewards for winning are so great that players will do the wrong thing if they think that doing so will help them win.

Use of technology for questions of fact is a big success and should be retained. Goal line technology is the obvious example.

There will always be decisions in football matches however that are borderline judgment calls, and there will always be controversy and mistakes made. VAR is not designed to eliminate that. Nothing ever will. It is designed to eliminate key decisions (red cards and penalties being the most obvious) that referees on the ground get clearly and obviously wrong. I have no problem at all with that basic premise.

In a sport in which goals are hard to come by, a penalty awarded is a 75% likelihood of a goal being scored. Penalties should not be awarded unless there is no doubt about them.

I heard Lineker say that perhaps a penalty should be given every time ball strikes hand regardless of intent etc. He is talking nonsense. That would be turning football into hockey, where players spend more time trying to hit opponents feet with the ball to get a penalty corner than they do actually trying to score a goal. Players would be trying to get into the box to kick the ball at their opponents arms. It would become a farce.

There is nothing wrong with the handball law. For it to be handball there must be a deliberate intent by the player to handle to gain an advantage, by reference to factors such as proximity, natural arm position etc. The problem is that the law inevitably requires an element of human interpretation and sometimes (as on Sunday) those humans get it wrong.

I remain of the view that each side should get one chance to ask for a VAR review in each half. The captain to signal to the ref when he wants to use it. Use it unsuccessfully and you lose it. That would stop (1) this stupid situation of play continuing while the ref holds his earpiece waiting for news, (2) pointless reviews and (3) players crowding referees making square shapes with their hands. Can anybody see any potential drawbacks in that system?


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Why not go the whole hog? Each team to be able to play a Joker card once during any one game? That way we can demonstrate to the rest of the world and their grandmothers that there's still a long way to go before we can match the quality of discipline as displayed in Rugby League.
And before anyone says it, yes, I do go and watch games in the Rugby League. Perhaps one day I may even give up on watching prima donnas in action on the football field.


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