Nobody is saying much on here so I'm just going on three players mentioned. Two are a no from me Sharp & Hurst. Former at 32 we must have learnt from Blackstock Collins Wilson ect… Potter though a better professional than those has joined that list, his age & injuries have caught up with him. Latter George Hurst could be anything but we need a striker ready to go now. Marquis a yes from me, liked look of him when he played against us last season. Who are we going to get in our price range?
-- Edited by T71 on Sunday 3rd of June 2018 09:44:21 AM
What is the minimum, wages wise, a quality player would accept, to play for us?
What is the maximum we are prepared to pay for any one quality player? Bear in mind most players have an agent representing them.
I reckon one quality winger/inside left or inside right would be a good starting point. If you had to choose one position, where we need to strengthen, which one would it be?
If we're going to bring experience into the team, I think it needs to be in midfield as opposed to up front. Previous examples of where an old head in midfield has paid dividends include Gerry Gow and Tony Grealish. Up front I'd prefer someone young and quick - I don't think Sharp fills this requirement. I know very little about Hirst - videos of him are mainly of him playing in youth teams, but as he's only 19 that's understandable. Warnie will know if he fits the bill and I will trust his judgement as ever. Not sure if Marquis has Championship ability. Saw him at Donny where he was largely invisible although he did score a good goal at NYS. Finally, Potter should never be mentioned in the same sentence as Blackstock, Collins and Wilson - he is light years ahead of any of them and if Warne can get him fit, he could well be that old head in midfield that we need.
The whole transfer thing is so much dependent on whether we can secure last year's loanees. Until we know their status, it's very difficult to guess what movement there's going to be - both in and out.
Potter I've said as a professional footballer he's way ahead of Blackstock Collins Wilson but can't see him playing for us again. M K Dons didn't want him, we took him on basically to shore up midfield in league 1. But a turning point for us last season was when he got injured & ****s left. Then we got Vaulks & Towell in midfield, some younger legs in midfield. Not knocking Frecks either but when your time comes you've got to move on.
As for what we can pay. If you sign a player for a Million he's going to want above £10,000 a week in wages so work it out. Would say we aren't going to pay to our top earners above £8,000 a week. We'd get Marquis for that. We are going to need 2 keepers, 2 Right backs 2 Centre backs. 2 in midfield a winger & 2 strikers. 11 players but min' to compete in the championship.
Let the club worry about that side of the equation It's up to the supporters to get another season ticket sold and that's as much as we can do! Drag out that relative that has always been a supporter to get a ST.....subsidised if necessary.
Personally would make an exception for Sharp, never seems to have many injuries and still gets a good amount of goals. Wages will see that it won’t happen and he won’t walk away from United easily.
Players like Marquis are more in our bracket, I’d like to see the club actually follow through with a bigger transfer fee this time around and not get cold feet like the Tom Bradshaw scenario. We do all sorts of scouting and diligiance so let’s trust it like we did last summer.
Two reasons why I wouldn't sign Sharp. At 32 for a striker it's almost hang your boots up time especially a championship striker. 2nd reason he's a blade, he might come here for the money but his heart would belong at Bramall Lane.
I would tend to agree about the age thing, BUT it could work if the right player could be found; after all Rod Fern was still knocking em in for us at 34 in the old second division/Championship, but expect there arnt too many legends around these days
In regards George Hirst it would be interesting to see what would any deal would be perm signing yes it would be a good buy. If it's a loan THAT'S A BIG NO!!!!!!! why would we want to give Wednesday any help when they have done what for us in the past? answers on the smallest postcard ever
Don't want any 32 year old blade player either.
I'm sure Warne will have his targets and look forward to see how things pan out.
Although it will be on the internet as I'm on my jollies in July hopefully winding the Germans up when we beat them in the quarter finals .. ever the optimist lol
Holmes & Marquis will do starters. Vaulks extending his contract soon. I've got more chance of winning the lotto than England in the world cup. Men of straw from top to bottom. Am I right!
I am not sure about 32 year olds at this level and coming down to play for us. I instead like the idea of 22 year olds coming up a level to play for us. In the latter case its down to the staff to find a good player and of course they are out there-thats their job. We get a bargin, develop them more and if it comes to it success on and off the pitch.
warnes has said what his philosophy is and Id like to see him stick to it as much as possible.
There will need to be a balance of course. There are only 6 teams in the whole world where money is no object so we are in good company. Its down to spotting the potential and bringing them through to their potential into a team ethos. Money wont buy love and it wont buy us success.
Holmes & Marquis will do starters. Vaulks extending his contract soon. I've got more chance of winning the lotto than England in the world cup. Men of straw from top to bottom. Am I right!
God help us if our World Cup hopes rest on two of the most boring negative players in the Premier League namely Messrs Dier & Henderson.
Holmes & Marquis will do starters. Vaulks extending his contract soon. I've got more chance of winning the lotto than England in the world cup. Men of straw from top to bottom. Am I right!
God help us if our World Cup hopes rest on two of the most boring negative players in the Premier League namely Messrs Dier & Henderson.
I agree chaps...whoever thinks passing sideways and backwards will win anything needs a rocket up their backside.
We are not good enough at the back, in fact I'd say that's our worst quality, but the style of play relies on keeping a clean sheet and getting the odd goal now and then... It's never worked for an England team and won't work for this team. It's ok in qualifiers and friendlies playing against inferior teams - but everyone in the tournament will have a go at you no-matter who you are... you need to set up to have a go back!
I DO think we have a good set of players, it's frustrating how England managers don't play to the players strengths or the 'England' attacking with passion way of playing which used to scare other teams and generally get results. (Remember Kane taking corners in the Euros, how stupid was that!!)
Anyway.. I'm looking fwd to the tournament but will be pleasantly surprised if we even get out of the group...
.. and who cares, the Millers are in the Championship!!!! :)
Just it's so dull the England squad. All the set up is. Cahill is still here who was found out two years ago in the Euro's finals. How's Ashley Young got in & not Bertrand who at least is a natural left sided player. Playing with wing backs when Danny Rose seems to have gone backwards & then there's only Young. Then playing Walker in a back 3. Manager has lost me.
I think that Hirst is leaving Wednesday. The likelihood is that he will be bought by one of the big Premier League clubs and loaned straight out into The Championship. If he comes here it will be on loan from a big PL club.
Billy Sharp is an interesting one. The worry for most strikers is that when they get into their 30's they lose a yard of pace, but Sharp has never traded on his pace. He has never been particularly quick. His biggest asset is his movement in the box and his ability to put chances chances away when they come along. So I wouldn't rule him out on the basis of his age.
I think either could potentially do a good job for us. The real issue is whether or not they would be good fits into the existing bunch ie whether they would have good attitudes. I don't know either of them so I can only speak on the basis of an impression from the outside. Hirst has had a well publicised fall out with SWFC before he has even played a competitive game for them, which may or may not have been his fault, but you would have thought he would be eager to play games and show everyone what he can do. Sharp may not have that same motivation. He doesn't have a lot to prove to anyone, and his work rate has always been the part of his game that people have had question marks about.
Of the two, as long as he doesn't already over-fancy himself Hirst would seem to be the better fit even if he isn't the bigger name.
On England, I am not ever so patriotic to start with and I struggle to get excited about the national team at the best of times. International football is played at such a slow pace that it is usually a pretty turgid watch. The thing that strikes me is that we have a group of players who think they have made it because they play in the Premier League and earn a fortune, but they aren't amongst the better players in that league. The bottom line is that we have very few world class players (probably Kane - struggling to find another after that) which means we will probably fail to beat any of the best eight or ten teams at the World Cup.
for once just get behind a team and a have a cup half full instead of empty
My cup is always half full but it's empty to start with regards the England national side. I'd sooner somebody have some b*lls to rip it up & start again. Our squad has got to be the worse in my time & I go back to 66. Somebody tell me different. You've got to have something there to start filling your cup.
I think that Hirst is leaving Wednesday. The likelihood is that he will be bought by one of the big Premier League clubs and loaned straight out into The Championship. If he comes here it will be on loan from a big PL club.
Billy Sharp is an interesting one. The worry for most strikers is that when they get into their 30's they lose a yard of pace, but Sharp has never traded on his pace. He has never been particularly quick. His biggest asset is his movement in the box and his ability to put chances chances away when they come along. So I wouldn't rule him out on the basis of his age.
I think either could potentially do a good job for us. The real issue is whether or not they would be good fits into the existing bunch ie whether they would have good attitudes. I don't know either of them so I can only speak on the basis of an impression from the outside. Hirst has had a well publicised fall out with SWFC before he has even played a competitive game for them, which may or may not have been his fault, but you would have thought he would be eager to play games and show everyone what he can do. Sharp may not have that same motivation. He doesn't have a lot to prove to anyone, and his work rate has always been the part of his game that people have had question marks about.
Of the two, as long as he doesn't already over-fancy himself Hirst would seem to be the better fit even if he isn't the bigger name.
On England, I am not ever so patriotic to start with and I struggle to get excited about the national team at the best of times. International football is played at such a slow pace that it is usually a pretty turgid watch. The thing that strikes me is that we have a group of players who think they have made it because they play in the Premier League and earn a fortune, but they aren't amongst the better players in that league. The bottom line is that we have very few world class players (probably Kane - struggling to find another after that) which means we will probably fail to beat any of the best eight or ten teams at the World Cup.
I've already said Hurst could be anything but we want a striker to come straight in. Unless Proctor get's fit we only have Smith good enough. Sharp don't want him full stop. He's a blade. His heart wouldn't be in it playing for us. Marquis is the one for me.
Its all pie in the sky of course. I haven't seen anything even remotely credible linking us to Billy Sharp. I wonder if we could afford his wages in any case. But for the record, after he left SUFC to go to Scunny he got a goal every other game for them, and he did the same when he left SUFC for a second time and got a goal every other game for Donny Rovers. His heart may be at The Lane but he seems to be a good enough pro to do the business for whoever is paying his wages. How many of the current side do you think grew up supporting RUFC?
