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NewYorker
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How long is this going to drag on.No outside interest to do anything with this monstrosity.I cannot understand how the council allowed a much better building like the hospital to be pulled down but cannot give the green light on knocking this dump down.The stadium is under used with the empty units achieving no income at all.If we had a supporters bar on the corner as you approach the stadium it would be a guaranteed money maker.Other clubs make use of the stadiums space,why don't we?



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Lovely idea - however it would be a direct target for such as Millwall / Leeds and other morons so the profits would be spent on repairs and the police would close it - so not worth it for me.

I'd love to see a complete refurbishment of apartments / shops / hotel / bars.....

It would cost a bloody fortune but a tribute to Rotherham / Millers history.

Dream on !



-- Edited by Bornamiller on Wednesday 13th of December 2017 07:35:58 PM

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Agree about council but this site deserves better than just being demolished ,no doubt a lot of poster's on here remeber friends and family who worked there ,also the area was there before our stadium.

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Its been a sorry episode. RU Estates (Tony Stewart) knew it was Grade 2 listed when they bought the site. They gambled on being able to find a way to develop it and get round the listing but haven't been able to.

The Council gets blamed for most things but I don't think they have stood in the way here. In fact I think they supported the clubs plan to re-develop and keep the facade of the historic building. It was English Heritage who put the block on it. I think the Council actually copped some stick from local pressure groups for supporting RU Estates' plans.

My understanding is that paradoxically Heritage will only grant permission for any solution other than sympathetic restoration once they are completely satisfied that there is no realistic prospect of a development that will keep the existing building intact. In other words, it will have to sit and rot until it is in a state at which it is un-salvagable before they will allow any part of it to be demolished.

There was talk at the Fans Forum that moves were afoot to do something with it.

I think the delay in redeveloping the site and putting it to good commercial use has been a serious brake on the growth of the football club, but I also understand the importance of retaining local history. Its just been a shame that there hasn't been a meeting of minds on it. I would have thought RU Estates would have made whatever enquiries and plans they could before they actually committed to buying the site. Maybe they did, or maybe the pressure of time to move the club back into the town (didn't we have a mx 4 yrs outside the borough?) forced their hand.

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I don't think the building should be demolished. It really does have historic relevance such as the common screw down tap and fire hydrants common in use throughout the world were developed there (alas the story of NYS being called NYS because G&C made the hydrants for New York is a myth. The simple truth of the matter is that area of town was called New York).

Also the company was instrumental in the development of the floating dock know as Mulberry Harbour that was used on D-Day. When so much of Rotherham's history has been bulldozed, including the old school/university that was older than Oxford and Cambridge, it seems a shame to leave it to rot or be demolished for the sake of a football club. Eyesore? Yes, develop? yes, demolish absolutely not.

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Calypso wrote:

I don't think the building should be demolished. It really does have historic relevance such as the common screw down tap and fire hydrants common in use throughout the world were developed there (alas the story of NYS being called NYS because G&C made the hydrants for New York is a myth. The simple truth of the matter is that area of town was called New York).

Also the company was instrumental in the development of the floating dock know as Mulberry Harbour that was used on D-Day. When so much of Rotherham's history has been bulldozed, including the old school/university that was older than Oxford and Cambridge, it seems a shame to leave it to rot or be demolished for the sake of a football club. Eyesore? Yes, develop? yes, demolish absolutely not.

 I think I agree with you Calypso.  The strength of the NYS is that it brought the club back into the heart of the town and the community.  It seems to me that it would feel right to be harnessing the heritage there and preserving and incorporating the historic building into a modern development rather than just flattening the old in favour of the new.  Surely a way could be found to do that, to keep everybody happy?  It has been done very many times before. 



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In Glasgow (and I'm sure it's been done elsewhere) : The fascia of some of the older buildings has been retained but new structure built behind it. I don't know if this has been proposed, or would be acceptable to English Heritage, but it makes sense as you still get the look and feeling of the history - but the buildings themselves can then be developed properly with modern interiors such as apartments and amenities.

You could also perhaps retain some small part of it as an attraction/museum to show the old site's purpose and place in History.

To just let it decay with not progress is madness - and I agree is surely holding back the progress of the club.

If the council are supportive - they should at the very least be saying so publicly, and trying to Influence English Heritage to do something positive rather than just being naysayers...



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Where would the £ come from to keep all parties happy, while funding a full redevelopment of the site. Must be looking in the many millions to do something with the site before any revenue starts to come back from it.

Maybe they're just holding onto the land to sell on for profit? - ala what Tesco do - leaving good sites all over the place unable to be developed for purpose

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A better bet for English Heritage to get involved with,(not that I'm a fan of this band of do gooders) would be Kepples Column.This IS a building worth preserving.A 115 foot tower built in 1777 which was open to the public until the 1960s.Roth.council own this and have  not made good use of this iconic building.There is no comparison in historical values of the two buildings.



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This is my point NewYorker. We have such a fantastic rich history, that other towns and cities celebrate but we seem to allow ours to be either destroyed or left to fall down. Keppels Column is a prime example, but it has no financial value nor would it generate enough income to justify the expense, although it is intrinsically priceless. Even the old tax office on Corporation street had a fantastic 'iconic' art deco staircase which was, as far as I know reduced to rubble or broken up for salvage perhaps. However much I accept that times change and however much I love my home town club, I would hate to see The Guest & Chrimes building flattened to earn a revenue to pay players wages in a faint hope we could ever achieve and sustain Championship football

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