So happy clappers are you happy with the current state of play of both team and club
US doom mongers just want what's best for the club we are realists but we want a performing team
Is Warne that man
Arguments against
No experience learning on job
No idea of reactive tactics
No plan b
No defensive ideas
Cheap option
So happy clappers your arguments for
Don’t think anyone can be happy with what’s happening at the moment.
The next couple of months could determine the next few years for us.
I haven’t lost total faith with TS but I’m losing it fast.
UTM
Hillsborough - I'm an optimist - I don't recognise your term 'Happy Clapper', but if you categorise anyone who doesn't automatically turn on the club and management when things go amiss as a Happy Clapper, I'm your man.
Firstly, 'wanting what's best for the club' and 'a performing team' is the not exclusive domain of your so called 'Doom Mongers'. I assume everyone on this board wants RUFC to be successful (although I have my doubts about some contributors). Some people find it appropriate to vent their anger on here and to point accusing fingers at individuals. Others, including myself, believe in positive encouragement because no matter how much anyone moans, we are not going to change the squad before January and it is highly unlikely that the management team will change before the end of the season. We have to work with what we've got and slagging people off at every opportunity does nothing to improve the team's confidence or performance in my opinion.
I know as much about Rotherham's finances as anyone on here, which is nothing. I therefore find it incongruous that people can comment with authority on how much money we're not spending when 'no-one' has a clue about the club's financial situation post Evans, Redfearn, Stubbs, Jacket, Blackett etc etc - all of which, no doubt, sucked vital funds out of the spend pot.
Every football supporter in the country wants their club to do well and very few see their club achieve any success. We have no divine right to expect RUFC to be any more successful than anyone else. If we are fortunate enough to achieve success - and arguably the last 4 years have seen more success than failure, then we should enjoy it. How you handle the less successful times is down to individuals - I choose to remain positive.
I'm not having a personal pop - you asked for comment and I'm obliging.
Glenn, I admire your optimism, I truely do but even you must see the decline we are currently experiancing. Of course we all want to see RUFC doing well, in the premiership, competing at any level but but but that is not happening even at L1 level. All of us on here want is an end to the pre season ticket sales pitch and an honest appraisal of where the club stands not pie in the sky sound bytes to sell more tickets. If we are mid L1 then so be it but please please RUFC upper management stop feeding us manure, we’re not idiots
I agree with a lot of what you say there Glenn. I don't like the thread title because I don't think the supporters are polarised into one group or the other. Most probably sit firmly in the middle, supporting the club but with various opinions on how things could be done better.
I would only ask you this - do you think that the Chariman brings a lot of this negativity on himself by 'bigging up' our expectations and then not living up to them? He said we were aiming for top half of the Championship which was always a stretch. He said we had the same budget as Huddersfield last season which is difficult to imagine as they spent a few million on players (I suppose it depends what you mean by 'budget'), he said after NW had kept us up that lessons had been learned and we would move onwards and upwards which we didn't, talk of plans to develop the ground and surrounding facilities which has all stalled, then this season he said we had a top five budget which seems unlikely given the signings (or we have wasted it) and said (as did Warne) that the Ward money would be available in January, which money seems to have vanished.
In the nicest possible way Rotherham folk are fairly simple. If they are told to expect tough times they accept it and battle on. If however the guy in whom we all trust promises good things the supporters will buy into that with season tickets that come at quite a cost for the average man in the street, and they expect him to deliver or at least try to deliver. I just think that Tony Stewart has set himself up for criticism by promising a lot this season (again) and on the face of it failing to make a serious attempt to live up to it. The appointment of a novice manager and the apparent failure to spend money in the transfer market were not an issue when our home form kept us in the top half but throw them into the mix with dire performances, no wins in eight, and a plummet down the table and there is bound to be a backlash because we are under performing against expectations.
Tony has done wonders for us in the past and Warne is an iconic figure, and it is painful to see people having a go at them. I fear that if we fail to win either of the next two feelings will be made very clear in a vocal way at the ground, which would be very sad. Warne I feel sorry for, but I am afraid that Tony Stewart might to some extent only have himself to blame.
Good appraisals there guys but I'm sorry to say gazmadmiller but I'd be absolutely delighted with mid table L1 ATM, as would most fans. Unfortunately the only short term result I can realistically see is a head first plummet into L2 with a Chairman who lies & a manager so far out of his depth he's drowning.
Smiler - with regards to Tony Stewart, I take his 'footballing' remarks with a pinch of salt. He is clearly not a football-savvy man and many of his comments confirm his soccer naivety. However, as the Chairman of the RUFC company there is much to admire. When you consider the dire situation that Rotherham were in before he came along, it's something of a minor miracle that we exist at all, let alone in a classy stadium which has hosted Championship football over the past 3 years. Yes, there are many things that annoy the hell out of me about NYS - the G&C embarrassment, lack of pies in the canteens, less than professional ticket admin (although it's getting better), the siren before kick off, Miller Bear's drum etc etc, some are within Tony's gift to rectify, others not. However, in relative terms, give me NYS any day over Millmoor or DVS - one man is responsible for that.
Does he attract criticism because of his pre season promises? Possibly. However, how many people on this board purchased their season ticket on the basis of what Tony Stewart said as opposed to making a personal decision to follow RUFC? How many people would have reconsidered their desire to watch Rotherham if the Chairman had said before the season that we should expect mediocre performances because we can only attract average players and we have no desire nor aspiration to achieve anything other than a mid table finish? Football's a business, he's a business man and he will do everything to secure and improve his investment. However, although I don't know him personally, I suspect that he is also emotionally attached to the club and he would like nothing better than to see positive results and a happy fan base.
Football's a fickle game. It's not too many weeks ago since 'One Tony Stewart' and 'Paul Warne's Red and White Army' was sung resoundingly at NYS. A few weeks on, after some inauspicious performances, and the Chairman and Manager are now incompetent idiots. Anyone in football will know that they're only as good as their last performance but it's sometimes worth taking a step back and taking a broader view and imagining how things might possibly look if Mr Stewart hadn't taken an interest in our club!
Hillsborough - I'm an optimist - I don't recognise your term 'Happy Clapper', but if you categorise anyone who doesn't automatically turn on the club and management when things go amiss as a Happy Clapper, I'm your man.
Firstly, 'wanting what's best for the club' and 'a performing team' is the not exclusive domain of your so called 'Doom Mongers'. I assume everyone on this board wants RUFC to be successful (although I have my doubts about some contributors). Some people find it appropriate to vent their anger on here and to point accusing fingers at individuals. Others, including myself, believe in positive encouragement because no matter how much anyone moans, we are not going to change the squad before January and it is highly unlikely that the management team will change before the end of the season. We have to work with what we've got and slagging people off at every opportunity does nothing to improve the team's confidence or performance in my opinion.
I know as much about Rotherham's finances as anyone on here, which is nothing. I therefore find it incongruous that people can comment with authority on how much money we're not spending when 'no-one' has a clue about the club's financial situation post Evans, Redfearn, Stubbs, Jacket, Blackett etc etc - all of which, no doubt, sucked vital funds out of the spend pot.
Every football supporter in the country wants their club to do well and very few see their club achieve any success. We have no divine right to expect RUFC to be any more successful than anyone else. If we are fortunate enough to achieve success - and arguably the last 4 years have seen more success than failure, then we should enjoy it. How you handle the less successful times is down to individuals - I choose to remain positive.
I'm not having a personal pop - you asked for comment and I'm obliging.
glen
happy clappers comments was moment of madness and frustration
and nothing personal taken as all post are just opinions
none of my comments against paul are meant personal they are from a very frustrated fan who is seething at the broken promises of man who has often said he stands by his promises what makes me so mad are its obvious whats wrong on the pitch
we have some good players and bad
in fact on another post i suggested to paul to quit for his sanity sake as he is the firing line of fans not tony stewart
i was very much he optimist and a few misgivings when paul warne was appointed in regards the appointment and the results at the beginning were promising
warne cant be judged on injuries but he can on team and formation selection
there are some players he has picked just arnt cutting the mustard. so play the youngters
rodak why for heavens sake ?????????
in regards tony stewart yes he is a business man and i know that and a very successful one but he is letting warne take the flac at the moment due to to the consequences of some very bad decisions he has made.
and why has he split the nys stadium from the club would be my main question
as the sceptic in me means he would still get rent no mattter who owned the club if he sold it (booth days)
my other main gripe is the audio and visual synch on the big screen pathetic get it sorted it just needs an audio delay of a few seconds
maplins probably sell them
-- Edited by hillsborough miller on Monday 4th of December 2017 06:55:49 AM
I'm sad to say it but we are probably a L2 club in terms of everything but the stadium which is worthy of where we are. Won't go back into the fitness coach becomes manager side again but this wouldn't happen at most clubs and our facilities are poor for training and the likes. I do think the bear should get drumming lessons or give it up because he's like a 2 year old banging on a saucepan with a wooden spoon lol.
Smiler - with regards to Tony Stewart, I take his 'footballing' remarks with a pinch of salt. He is clearly not a football-savvy man and many of his comments confirm his soccer naivety. However, as the Chairman of the RUFC company there is much to admire. When you consider the dire situation that Rotherham were in before he came along, it's something of a minor miracle that we exist at all, let alone in a classy stadium which has hosted Championship football over the past 3 years. Yes, there are many things that annoy the hell out of me about NYS - the G&C embarrassment, lack of pies in the canteens, less than professional ticket admin (although it's getting better), the siren before kick off, Miller Bear's drum etc etc, some are within Tony's gift to rectify, others not. However, in relative terms, give me NYS any day over Millmoor or DVS - one man is responsible for that.
Does he attract criticism because of his pre season promises? Possibly. However, how many people on this board purchased their season ticket on the basis of what Tony Stewart said as opposed to making a personal decision to follow RUFC? How many people would have reconsidered their desire to watch Rotherham if the Chairman had said before the season that we should expect mediocre performances because we can only attract average players and we have no desire nor aspiration to achieve anything other than a mid table finish? Football's a business, he's a business man and he will do everything to secure and improve his investment. However, although I don't know him personally, I suspect that he is also emotionally attached to the club and he would like nothing better than to see positive results and a happy fan base.
Football's a fickle game. It's not too many weeks ago since 'One Tony Stewart' and 'Paul Warne's Red and White Army' was sung resoundingly at NYS. A few weeks on, after some inauspicious performances, and the Chairman and Manager are now incompetent idiots. Anyone in football will know that they're only as good as their last performance but it's sometimes worth taking a step back and taking a broader view and imagining how things might possibly look if Mr Stewart hadn't taken an interest in our club!
I get that, I really do,
I believe that Tony Stewart's heart is in the club. I don't buy into the idea that he is somehow using it as some sort of cash cow. He could have taken what he has put into the club both directly and by way of underwriting borrowing, and as a very savvy businessmen he could have chosen to use that capital in other ways to make a profit if that was his aim. I am sure that he is also clever enough to think carefully before he makes big statements - they are infrequent and planned after all so not exactly off the cuff - and although he is unlikely to ever take my advice (and why should he?) I would suggest that expectations could be better managed.
Personally I couldn't see any logic in the Warne appointment but now he is there I would stick with him because there comes a point at which you have to give time to whoever is in the seat. But the 'top five budget' comment put Warne under pressure before the season even started. There was simply no need for it, and people will now use it as a stick to beat Warne with if we aren't competing in the top half.
I think it is fair enough to be able to be grateful to Mr Stewart for all that he has done for the club and the town but also be be constructively critical. I am pretty sure that he is open to constructive criticism from supporters who care about RUFC. But the criticism should never become personal or aggressive, and people who would have Mr Stewart quit need to be careful what they wish for. I am sure that the club needs him more than he needs it and I doubt there is a queue of people lining up to back us.
Smiler - with regards to Tony Stewart, I take his 'footballing' remarks with a pinch of salt. He is clearly not a football-savvy man and many of his comments confirm his soccer naivety. However, as the Chairman of the RUFC company there is much to admire. When you consider the dire situation that Rotherham were in before he came along, it's something of a minor miracle that we exist at all, let alone in a classy stadium which has hosted Championship football over the past 3 years. Yes, there are many things that annoy the hell out of me about NYS - the G&C embarrassment, lack of pies in the canteens, less than professional ticket admin (although it's getting better), the siren before kick off, Miller Bear's drum etc etc, some are within Tony's gift to rectify, others not. However, in relative terms, give me NYS any day over Millmoor or DVS - one man is responsible for that.
Does he attract criticism because of his pre season promises? Possibly. However, how many people on this board purchased their season ticket on the basis of what Tony Stewart said as opposed to making a personal decision to follow RUFC? How many people would have reconsidered their desire to watch Rotherham if the Chairman had said before the season that we should expect mediocre performances because we can only attract average players and we have no desire nor aspiration to achieve anything other than a mid table finish? Football's a business, he's a business man and he will do everything to secure and improve his investment. However, although I don't know him personally, I suspect that he is also emotionally attached to the club and he would like nothing better than to see positive results and a happy fan base.
Football's a fickle game. It's not too many weeks ago since 'One Tony Stewart' and 'Paul Warne's Red and White Army' was sung resoundingly at NYS. A few weeks on, after some inauspicious performances, and the Chairman and Manager are now incompetent idiots. Anyone in football will know that they're only as good as their last performance but it's sometimes worth taking a step back and taking a broader view and imagining how things might possibly look if Mr Stewart hadn't taken an interest in our club!
I'm backing Tony Stewart. I can't be doing with I packed up going cause of the chairman. 10 years ago we were in the last chance saloon. In my time watching RUFC there's been worse times than this. But TS has got to act now. Warney is not a manager. Needs a clean sweep including all his coaching staff gone. Give new manager time to access the players & act move players out & in to improve the squad.
