whats gripes me and probably few others is that tony stewart made the now famous 2 quotes
we had the same budget as Huddersfield they went up we went down.
we will have a top 5 league budget quote.
ok some of that is to sell season tickets but really tony you are going to have to walk the walk not just talk
unless mid table league one is what you want.
yes you have saved Rotherham United forwhich yes you have our gratitude and had to lee way in how things have panned out in the last three years but only because you saw potential for long term profit which i agree as long as the club benefits from that profit. I agree not all the redevelopment plans and subsequent revenue has come to fruition.
hind sight is a wonderful thing
but i do think tony needs a football director in place not douglas
the manager he has appointed
andy scott bad
evans good then reasons unknown left
neal redfern got sack after poor run
warnock wouldnt stay
stubbs bad bad decision
warne cheap option no experience learning on job so in my opinion needs serious outside help not just his mates barker and pollitt
i want warne to succeed with us nice guy but dont want him to sink and take us with him
tony take heed get a director of football in to give you an independent perspective of whats working and whats failing
-- Edited by hillsborough miller on Thursday 23rd of November 2017 02:12:48 PM
I would agree with that. I did think after last seasons record breaking humiliation of the club and fans,that TS would have been looking towards a huge shake up. On and off the pitch.
By his own admission he was/is not a footballing man and as oft times mentioned, on a steep learning curve. Being realists, as most Millers fans are, we accept that and cut him plenty of slack; and if ever a lesson was to be learned, it would have been after last year. Wouldn't it?However the converse appears to be the case….Carry on regardless.
If the business plan is failing, then change the plan, if that means changing personnel then change them. If it means looking at other similar sized clubs who are run successfully, such as Barnsley then adopt a similar approach; sadly that same single dimensional approach seems to be replicated on the pitch, i.e. plan A not working then carry on with plan A.
TS shoulders a huge responsibility and it must be a tough job. He is having to juggle the finances and keep the club going, he has a responsibility to his other business and his family as well as to the fans. We all get that. And lest we forget, the club, until his stewardship, was wallowing in a 1950's ground with 21st century debts. With New York Stadium we have the opportunity to press on and become a well run successful little club, which I would venture to guess is what most of us want. Can it be that difficult? Because right now we're hardly treading water and its getting harder by the week for me to stay interested enough to invest my time and not inconsiderable expense to travel such a long way to watch such poor performances. A fan of some 50 odd years and fed up with the disappointments.
Both good posts and regarding Calypso I personally am full of admiration for fans like this who travel from outside the area, there is a fair proportion of our fan base that does this and are taken for granted like the "local" fans are, but they should not be and to have to travel (some masochists even do the away games!!) and all the expense that entails, petrol, food parking prices in some cases merchandise etc and as has been said witness one of the worst RUFC teams in modern times.
This is all part of being a supporter some would say and perhaps so but that does not mean these fans can be taken for granted. I feel bad enough when I come out of NYS after a poor performance and I only live 10 minutes away! I am lucky in that I don't have to face a 3 hour car or train journey.
I think all the fans want from TS is some sort of plan/strategy for the future, all we are doing at the minute is bumbling along like we always seem to
We have a good chairman , ok made mistakes which I think he would admit to but am I the only one who thinks he works hard for our club Jesus knows where we would be without him .
Ask any Orient or Blackpool fans if he's a s***e chairman.
Are we going back to the Purshouse days which I am embarrassed about the way way hounded them two men
I do refer to his huge responsibility in my post Len. I don't diss the bloke at all, my criticism is that when mistakes are made, (and we all make them,) generally speaking you try not to make the same mistake a second time. But our club seems to make the same bad decisions whether its appointing a new manager or ticketing, over and over again.
In our case, we hear a good deal about budgets, what the aim is, what we're gonna do etc at the start of a season to gee us all up but there it ends. And what we see, and thats all we have to go on, not being privy to what goes on behind closed doors, is something quite different. The proof of the pudding is in the eating as they say, and at 64 I too can talk a good game.
I'm getting weary of it. I see very little advancement, on or off the pitch. There is no vision that we can all buy into and when one huge step is taken forward, in the good old Rotherham tradition, its three steps back. Hopes raised and general feeling that the club is on the move, but always, always it ends in disappointment. Does it not?
We can't win every game, players come and go, but there is no continuity, its mishmash, a hotchpotch. The last time I saw any real consistency, was 37 years ago………..and that ended in tears too.
Firstly I think the overwhelming majority of supporters will always be grateful for the things that Tony Stewart has done for the club and the town. That doesn't however mean that we can't have a legitimate view and feel able to express what we think the club could and should do better.
I think the Chairman has said things in the past that have been regrettable. The comparison to Huddersfield, having half an eye on the Premier League, mid-table Championship looking up, top five budget etc. To my mind no need for any of it. Cynics will say it sells tickets but my feeling is that it just creates an expectation that the team/manager/club is measured against and that is often unattainable.
Clearly the club has made some serious mistakes in recent times. All understandable but at times (the Rawson paperwork fiasco, the Warnock deal dragging on, the Jackett shambles) it has made us look daft and has undone lots of good work that has been done behind the scenes (the international fixtures for example).
I think that the communication from the club is pretty poor and poorly managed. My biggest criticism would be that too many of the big decisions are done to chase short term results whereas there ought to be more focus on building a sound club for the long term, and building stronger roots in the community. At the moment it feels like if the first team does well the club will do will, and if the first team struggles for a couple of years in a row the club might die. That can't be right.
On the whole though the dark days of the marquee in the car park at Millmoor for hospitality and 2500 struggling to watch the Don Valley action through binoculars are still fresh in the mind and we have to be thankful for what we have.
We have a good chairman , ok made mistakes which I think he would admit to but am I the only one who thinks he works hard for our club Jesus knows where we would be without him . Ask any Orient or Blackpool fans if he's a s***e chairman. Are we going back to the Purshouse days which I am embarrassed about the way way hounded them two men
len
I am not hounding him I am just pointing out with the benefit of hind sight what in my opinion are the mistakes that tony has made and he and the board doesn't seem to have learned from them.
yes its a business and tony has tried to run it like a business, but football is an entertainment business and to day is results driven look at the manager fatalities so far this season
I dont want paul warne sacked, what i want is him backed with a real terms budget not hot hair and wiffle waffle like we have been getting
As i said in an earlier post warne has got his excuses out early when we don't sign moore . and now he has come out and said he had 8 targets now he has two strikers he would like to sign.
and this is where it gets annoying if tony was serious about getting success back at the club. then he has to spend and spend big not 75K
I would agree with that. I did think after last seasons record breaking humiliation of the club and fans,that TS would have been looking towards a huge shake up. On and off the pitch.
By his own admission he was/is not a footballing man and as oft times mentioned, on a steep learning curve. Being realists, as most Millers fans are, we accept that and cut him plenty of slack; and if ever a lesson was to be learned, it would have been after last year. Wouldn't it?However the converse appears to be the case….Carry on regardless.
If the business plan is failing, then change the plan, if that means changing personnel then change them. If it means looking at other similar sized clubs who are run successfully, such as Barnsley then adopt a similar approach; sadly that same single dimensional approach seems to be replicated on the pitch, i.e. plan A not working then carry on with plan A.
TS shoulders a huge responsibility and it must be a tough job. He is having to juggle the finances and keep the club going, he has a responsibility to his other business and his family as well as to the fans. We all get that. And lest we forget, the club, until his stewardship, was wallowing in a 1950's ground with 21st century debts. With New York Stadium we have the opportunity to press on and become a well run successful little club, which I would venture to guess is what most of us want. Can it be that difficult? Because right now we're hardly treading water and its getting harder by the week for me to stay interested enough to invest my time and not inconsiderable expense to travel such a long way to watch such poor performances. A fan of some 50 odd years and fed up with the disappointments.
Just a few minor points Calypso:
He is having to juggle the finances and keep the club going, he has a responsibility to his other business and his family as well as to the fans
When TS took over at RUFC he had 3 companies he now has 10.
With New York Stadium we have the opportunity to press on and become a well run successful little club
"We" don't have New York Stadium it belongs to a TS company RU Estates and they charge us somewhere in the region of £1.5 Million for the pleasure of playing there.
Just saying.
With New York Stadium we have the opportunity to press on and become a well run successful little club
I would agree with that. I did think after last seasons record breaking humiliation of the club and fans,that TS would have been looking towards a huge shake up. On and off the pitch.
By his own admission he was/is not a footballing man and as oft times mentioned, on a steep learning curve. Being realists, as most Millers fans are, we accept that and cut him plenty of slack; and if ever a lesson was to be learned, it would have been after last year. Wouldn't it?However the converse appears to be the case….Carry on regardless.
If the business plan is failing, then change the plan, if that means changing personnel then change them. If it means looking at other similar sized clubs who are run successfully, such as Barnsley then adopt a similar approach; sadly that same single dimensional approach seems to be replicated on the pitch, i.e. plan A not working then carry on with plan A.
TS shoulders a huge responsibility and it must be a tough job. He is having to juggle the finances and keep the club going, he has a responsibility to his other business and his family as well as to the fans. We all get that. And lest we forget, the club, until his stewardship, was wallowing in a 1950's ground with 21st century debts. With New York Stadium we have the opportunity to press on and become a well run successful little club, which I would venture to guess is what most of us want. Can it be that difficult? Because right now we're hardly treading water and its getting harder by the week for me to stay interested enough to invest my time and not inconsiderable expense to travel such a long way to watch such poor performances. A fan of some 50 odd years and fed up with the disappointments.
Just a few minor points Calypso:
He is having to juggle the finances and keep the club going, he has a responsibility to his other business and his family as well as to the fans
When TS took over at RUFC he had 3 companies he now has 10.
With New York Stadium we have the opportunity to press on and become a well run successful little club
"We" don't have New York Stadium it belongs to a TS company RU Estates and they charge us somewhere in the region of £1.5 Million for the pleasure of playing there.
Just saying.
With New York Stadium we have the opportunity to press on and become a well run successful little club
my point exactly and point of the post tony stewart did not do thisout of the goodness of his heart he saw an opportunity and took it
There are a few things that I can't get my head around :
- He is a successful businessman - so some of the decisions to not invest to gain seem in conflict with general business logic. There can be no business sense in not trying harder to keep Warnock and therefore keep the benefits of Championship football
- Sticking with staff who some might say are simply incompetent, contracts, failing to land transfer targets time and time again, signing players on long term deals who should be on ‘pay per play’ deals , communicating targets to allow others to pay the extra few quid to steal them etc etc.
- He is nothing like the Booths, that would be a massive insult. Except in one respect – I fear he has lost the will to invest any more of his own money, which worries me most of all, as I fear that if the team fails, we will not see any sort of recovery investment.
I would agree with that. I did think after last seasons record breaking humiliation of the club and fans,that TS would have been looking towards a huge shake up. On and off the pitch.
By his own admission he was/is not a footballing man and as oft times mentioned, on a steep learning curve. Being realists, as most Millers fans are, we accept that and cut him plenty of slack; and if ever a lesson was to be learned, it would have been after last year. Wouldn't it?However the converse appears to be the case….Carry on regardless.
If the business plan is failing, then change the plan, if that means changing personnel then change them. If it means looking at other similar sized clubs who are run successfully, such as Barnsley then adopt a similar approach; sadly that same single dimensional approach seems to be replicated on the pitch, i.e. plan A not working then carry on with plan A.
TS shoulders a huge responsibility and it must be a tough job. He is having to juggle the finances and keep the club going, he has a responsibility to his other business and his family as well as to the fans. We all get that. And lest we forget, the club, until his stewardship, was wallowing in a 1950's ground with 21st century debts. With New York Stadium we have the opportunity to press on and become a well run successful little club, which I would venture to guess is what most of us want. Can it be that difficult? Because right now we're hardly treading water and its getting harder by the week for me to stay interested enough to invest my time and not inconsiderable expense to travel such a long way to watch such poor performances. A fan of some 50 odd years and fed up with the disappointments.
Just a few minor points Calypso:
He is having to juggle the finances and keep the club going, he has a responsibility to his other business and his family as well as to the fans
When TS took over at RUFC he had 3 companies he now has 10.
With New York Stadium we have the opportunity to press on and become a well run successful little club
"We" don't have New York Stadium it belongs to a TS company RU Estates and they charge us somewhere in the region of £1.5 Million for the pleasure of playing there.
Just saying.
With New York Stadium we have the opportunity to press on and become a well run successful little club
I was trying to be fair in my post although I had heared talk of that gaz but didn't know for sure, thought it was 'terrace gossip'. Puts it in a different perspective though doesn't it.
so tony another winless game against a team that came down with us and they have had a REAL top 5 budget to spend on players, an experienced manager and coaching staff who are delivering the results.
Wigan are a club that has to live and survive in fan catchment area of 5 premiership teams and rugby league .
so tony what are your next moves if you sack warne your next dilemma is who would want to come to and work for a chairman who shakes hands on a deal but doesnt deliver the cash to splash.
tony a word to wise to those people who come through the turnstiles they are called FANS some are fanatic but we will not be FOOLISH FANS
-- Edited by hillsborough miller on Monday 27th of November 2017 07:06:19 AM
