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It's not all about Moore though is it? We need all the players to be at it. First up we need a left full back. Ihiekwe was outside his comfort zone at left full back against Doncaster Rovers.  The reality is that we need to overhaul the first team and provide better service to our strike force. We could have a premier league striker at our disposal. If that striker is not given quality service he will not score many goals.

Secondly, we badly need at least one out and out winger. Someone who is able to turn defences inside out. Currently we do not have anyone that comes close to being called a winger.

Thirdly, we need a ball winning midfielder with some physical presence.

The Head of Recruitment needs to start considering the above  should RUFC wish to return to the Championship in the next two to three seasons. I like many other supporters do not want to see us just managing to hang on to League One status for longer than is necessary.



-- Edited by wotsisname on Sunday 12th of November 2017 09:39:09 PM

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We are lacking all over the field, from still needing a dominant goalkeeper at one end to finding a replacement for Moore at the other.
We've got a lot of players who are average at best. We don't have a defender on the books who I trust and every week it is a different back five. Half a dozen players have been reasonable or better this season but there are about ten who have been really disappointing. We are gradually losing the confidence that we seemed to be building, and Warne has a lot of work to do. I hope I'm wrong but I don't see us winning any of the next four games, which would make it eight league games without a win. We always have a chance at home but Shrewsbury and Wigan have shown that they are strong sides, and I just can't see us winning many away games because we turn up hoping for a point and playing accordingly. I just hope that after a promising start it doesn't turn into a long nothing of a season. We can't keep overhauling the team every six months but equally if we stick with what we have got at the moment we will fall well short.

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totally agree

but i though odonnell played well on saturday

ithiewe is not a left back and this is where warne in my opinion come up short . how many times have we complained as fans about managers trying to make square pegs fit round holes.

due to mattock madness and purringtons injury we have no left back ( bray wru)
so warne should have gone with a 3 at the back.

admittedly the long term injury to proctor and balls injury arnt warnes fault.

but its time for a formation change. if moore is marked out of the game then the knockdowns to the following up midfielders are lost


it time for a complete change of thinking and formation. play a variation of the same formation give the opposition something to think about

3 4 1 2

wood ayayi ithiwe at the back and keep it that way
midfield 4 of williams towell/frecks
potter newell
up front moore playing behind ball and taylor/jch/yates

change the style of play we have become to predictable and we have to use what we have


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I know the game has changed but the spine theory still remains, and ours is poor by any stretch of the imagination, also of the 5-6 players included in that spine, 3 aren't ours and 1 while once was an integral part of that spine but is now in the twilight of his career and spends 60-70% of a season injured.

That alone should tell you how far away we are in our recruitment of building a competitive squad. It's going to take 2-3 summer windows of 80% successful transfers to sort this one that's for sure (successful as they're deemed as 1st 11 regulars)

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Exetermiller wrote:

I know the game has changed but the spine theory still remains, and ours is poor by any stretch of the imagination, also of the 5-6 players included in that spine, 3 aren't ours and 1 while once was an integral part of that spine but is now in the twilight of his career and spends 60-70% of a season injured.

That alone should tell you how far away we are in our recruitment of building a competitive squad. It's going to take 2-3 summer windows of 80% successful transfers to sort this one that's for sure (successful as they're deemed as 1st 11 regulars)

 true true which just goes to show what a tony stewart top 5 budget means in real terms



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tony needs his cheque book out in january and get moore and towell signed

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All will be revealed when the January transfer window opens. It will indicate whether the club has any intention to start building for the future. A top five budget? I'll believe that when a few more quality players are signed up by the club.

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Totally agree with all of the above.

I am sure Warne anticipated Proctor being a mainstay of the team this year. Bad luck with him and a bonus that Moore has stepped up so strongly.

We don't have a single centre back who would constitute part of a strong 'spine' of a team. Maybe Wood four years ago would have done. Ihiekwe has done ok but is still learning and Ajayi is wobbly. I am guessing Warne didn't imagine Wood being a regular starter this season but he has had to turn to him.

None of our three keepers are solid. I want O'Donnell to be the main man because he is ours and he puts in displays that suggest he is a good keeper but every third game he drops a clanger or two.

If you work on the basis (as I think we must) that Moore will be going and that Frecks is unlikely to be available much, then without some serious activity in January we will have no spine at all.



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The Head of Recruitment needs to start considering the above  should RUFC wish to return to the Championship in the next two to three seasons.

 

Therein lies the nub……………..in my opinion



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I'm not even that convinced it's the price tags, there are plenty of good players out there if you know where to look.

Who is looking?, where are we looking, what is our scouting team and how do they work?, it's their judgement & assessment that pass players up the chain to the head of recruitment and then, manager, douglas et al all sit around the table and chew the fat. Seems to me the problem lies down the chain somewhere?

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wotsisname wrote:

It's not all about Moore though is it? We need all the players to be at it. First up we need a left full back. Ihiekwe was outside his comfort zone at left full back against Doncaster Rovers.  The reality is that we need to overhaul the first team and provide better service to our strike force. We could have a premier league striker at our disposal. If that striker is not given quality service he will not score many goals.

Secondly, we badly need at least one out and out winger. Someone who is able to turn defences inside out. Currently we do not have anyone that comes close to being called a winger.

Thirdly, we need a ball winning midfielder with some physical presence.

The Head of Recruitment needs to start considering the above  should RUFC wish to return to the Championship in the next two to three seasons. I like many other supporters do not want to see us just managing to hang on to League One status for longer than is necessary.



-- Edited by wotsisname on Sunday 12th of November 2017 09:39:09 PM

And here lies one of our biggest problems because at this time it is all about Moore. Its about how we are utilising him as a lone striker because he is 6'5" not because of his skill and ability to create a goal at this level. We could have one of the best midfields in this division but all the are getting paid for at the moment is to watch the ball sail over their heads then try to shore up our ever more leaky defence.



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I will need to clarify,' It's not all about Moore though is it?'

Moore is doing some sterling work up front. I went on to say that all the players need to be at it. Yes, the rest of the players need to be on their game to provide support for the front man. The long ball does not win many games.

I watched a similar game down at Millmoor in the 1990's when surprise, surprise we played Shrewsbury Town. We played the long ball game on that Saturday afternoon. Almost every time Shrewsbury played the ball into our half of the pitch we panicked and hit long balls over the heads of our midfield. Shrewsbury were over the moon. They duly collected the ball and began to play the ball to feet through their midfield. In fact I witnessed Shrewsbury Town player, Wayne Clarke laughing at our long ball tactics. Suffice to say they played us off the pitch and we were at the end of a drubbing.

Last Saturday when we were trailing 1-0 I walked out of the ground. My neck was aching that much from watching the ball being thumped mercilessly up into the air. Quite a few more people walked out at the same time. Their assessment of the encounter (it couldn't be called a match) cannot be repeated on this site.

There are also comments made about a number of our players. You know one in particular, when -------- -------- plays we lose games. (Fill in the blank space.)

Well on Saturday there were a number of players who lost us the game.


PS I am slowly recovering from neck ache and will be fit for the Wigan encounter.





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wotsisname wrote:

I will need to clarify,' It's not all about Moore though is it?'

Moore is doing some sterling work up front. I went on to say that all the players need to be at it. Yes, the rest of the players need to be on their game to provide support for the front man. The long ball does not win many games.

I watched a similar game down at Millmoor in the 1990's when surprise, surprise we played Shrewsbury Town. We played the long ball game on that Saturday afternoon. Almost every time Shrewsbury played the ball into our half of the pitch we panicked and hit long balls over the heads of our midfield. Shrewsbury were over the moon. They duly collected the ball and began to play the ball to feet through their midfield. In fact I witnessed Shrewsbury Town player, Wayne Clarke laughing at our long ball tactics. Suffice to say they played us off the pitch and we were at the end of a drubbing.

Last Saturday when we were trailing 1-0 I walked out of the ground. My neck was aching that much from watching the ball being thumped mercilessly up into the air. Quite a few more people walked out at the same time. Their assessment of the encounter (it couldn't be called a match) cannot be repeated on this site.

There are also comments made about a number of our players. You know one in particular, when -------- -------- plays we lose games. (Fill in the blank space.)

Well on Saturday there were a number of players who lost us the game.


PS I am slowly recovering from neck ache and will be fit for the Wigan encounter.



Fully agree with that wots and that was my point use the skills the man has. At the start of this season we were playing "football" and he scored for fun. As tall as he is a target man and lone striker he aint.



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wotsisname wrote:

I will need to clarify,' It's not all about Moore though is it?'

Moore is doing some sterling work up front. I went on to say that all the players need to be at it. Yes, the rest of the players need to be on their game to provide support for the front man. The long ball does not win many games.

I watched a similar game down at Millmoor in the 1990's when surprise, surprise we played Shrewsbury Town. We played the long ball game on that Saturday afternoon. Almost every time Shrewsbury played the ball into our half of the pitch we panicked and hit long balls over the heads of our midfield. Shrewsbury were over the moon. They duly collected the ball and began to play the ball to feet through their midfield. In fact I witnessed Shrewsbury Town player, Wayne Clarke laughing at our long ball tactics. Suffice to say they played us off the pitch and we were at the end of a drubbing.

Last Saturday when we were trailing 1-0 I walked out of the ground. My neck was aching that much from watching the ball being thumped mercilessly up into the air. Quite a few more people walked out at the same time. Their assessment of the encounter (it couldn't be called a match) cannot be repeated on this site.

There are also comments made about a number of our players. You know one in particular, when -------- -------- plays we lose games. (Fill in the blank space.)

Well on Saturday there were a number of players who lost us the game.


PS I am slowly recovering from neck ache and will be fit for the Wigan encounter.



Fully agree with that wots and that was my point use the skills the man has. At the start of this season we were playing "football" and he scored for fun. As tall as he is a target man and lone striker he aint.

 totally agree i m fed up of the 4 1 4 1 hoof to moore



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I'm still having physiotherapy for my neck injury. Today's encounter with Wigan Athletic didn't help my condition very much.

Moore has stopped scoring for fun and it was the same old same old tactics. What a freaking miserable afternoon. I'm going to stop

writing the scripts and forecasting the match results. The results are becoming so predictable. The management down at NYS ought to

start reading this board and prove me wrong now and again. It's down to them to change the style of play and pretty damn quick.


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I feared for your neck Wots when I saw the line up. Playing Towell and Forde as the wide men in preference to at least one of Williams and Newell suggested that Warne had gone for solidity and functionality over flair. Ball as a number ten is fine and you could point to his goal as evidence that this is wrong, but he isn't generally a second striker who is likely to run into channels and get on the end of flicks. He needs it to feet. Warne suggested post-match that there were times when we were playing to his strengths. I must have been getting my Bovril when that happened. My instinct is that if you visit a physio in the Rotherham area this week and sneak a quick look at the appointment diary there might be a Mr D Ball in there somewhere booked in to treat a neck injury like your own.

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i dont agree about midfielders, we have good midfielders i think we need 5 players by the 7th Jan not the 31st Jan. Goalkeeper left back centre back two forwards also if possible bring back d ball. This assumes moore goes back. let yates out on loan as well.

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I feared for your neck Wots when I saw the line up. Playing Towell and Forde as the wide men in preference to at least one of Williams and Newell suggested that Warne had gone for solidity and functionality over flair. Ball as a number ten is fine and you could point to his goal as evidence that this is wrong, but he isn't generally a second striker who is likely to run into channels and get on the end of flicks. He needs it to feet. Warne suggested post-match that there were times when we were playing to his strengths. I must have been getting my Bovril when that happened. My instinct is that if you visit a physio in the Rotherham area this week and sneak a quick look at the appointment diary there might be a Mr D Ball in there somewhere booked in to treat a neck injury like your own.

My neck injury should clear up in 2018. But it will only work with a combination of the Millers playing more of the ball to feet plus some effective physiotherapy. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



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To re-iterate. It's not all about Moore now. We have some challenges which lay ahead. The next few games will be crucial. I believe that we are capable of staying in League 1, however, the style of play needs to change and our players need to step up to the plate and be braver than ever before. They need to be more composed when in possession of the ball. 



-- Edited by wotsisname on Tuesday 5th of December 2017 04:42:19 PM



-- Edited by wotsisname on Tuesday 5th of December 2017 06:58:43 PM

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