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Calypso
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OK, its only the first game of many and we lost, we can't win em all. "So what?" as one postee has said. It doesn't matter at this stage….or does it, after all it was three points, might make all the difference at the end of a long, long season.

For me its more than that. Many of us, myself included were in a mood of rebellion last season; many refusing to renew STs not because of relegation, but by the way we were relegated, and because of way we were beguiled by the club for better things to come. Of course most of us knew it wasn't going to be easy, talk is cheap and as seasoned Millers, many with decades of support behind us we'd seen and heard it all before and each time its all ended in tears and near extinction of our club.

….But now we had NYS and WE BELIEVED. and were had.

I wonder now after reading the reports in the press and the accounts from those who were there at Fleetwood, whether we've been had again.

The pre season appeared to be the best in many a long year, culminating in the blistering win over Barnsley. Even the old cynic that I am, began to feel positive and upbeat after listening and reading about the potential of the new signings, despite the fact that some are from clubs in the same L1 as us and who let them leave either on a free or a small fee. I dismissed those who posed the question "If they were not good enough for them, how are they good enough for us?" I was /am uneasy about the number of losers we had retained from last year, but believed it was going to be different.

So the first game of the season, being looked forward to in eager anticipation. Expectation high and party time for the travelllng faithful and suddenly the boys are off the pace, they have no momentum from the pre season highs, and when the game really mattered, points at stake, the team didn't turn up. Same old story followed by the same post match platitudes reeled off as though it was the script from last season. Same old team selection, same old substitutions at the wrong time, same outcome.

Have we been had again, have we all been taken in by the pre season hype and spin, because although its only the first 90mins of the season, when the chips were down, nothing seems to have changed…….. when it really mattered.



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It's not the first time nor will it be the last time that we've 'been had'. We can always say, 'No', and give up the addiction and stay away

from football.

At the FA, Football Anonymous I would stand up and introduce myself as follows

'I am Wotsisname and I'm a football supporter. I've tried to give up the addiction. I've been supporting my local team for many years.

After last season and then Saturday's debacle I'm now finding it much easier to abstain from attending matches at NYS.

Thank you RUFC.

I'm sure that I will make a full recovery in the long term.'

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The short answer is 'yes'.

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One day at a time, sweet Jesus. I'm going to reach my goal.

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Let's give him 10 games and then build the gallows if we are still bottom. Gotta stop the love in with Taylor though.

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Got to have pitchforks and flaming torches for dramatic effect. Lolz.

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NewYorkshire wrote:

Let's give him 10 games and then build the gallows if we are still bottom. Gotta stop the love in with Taylor though.

 never been convincd by him  not worht it 

 

i would put him on bench and bring him on just to run at tired defences with 15 mins to go



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I've not been had, I've seen what's happening and I refuse to put 1 more penny in the pocket of supposed saviour. No ST renewal for me, no more visits to his stadium (yes it belongs to a TS company not RUFC) no more being spun tales of top 5 this and premiership that. No I'm done. I will never stop supporting RUFC but I cannot and will not support its demise. RANT OUT

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gazmadmiller wrote:

I've not been had, I've seen what's happening and I refuse to put 1 more penny in the pocket of supposed saviour. No ST renewal for me, no more visits to his stadium (yes it belongs to a TS company not RUFC) no more being spun tales of top 5 this and premiership that. No I'm done. I will never stop supporting RUFC but I cannot and will not support its demise. RANT OUT

 I did exactly the same when the Booths were in charge.The company i worked for at the time did some construction work for the family and had a very long conversation about my club with one member of his family who basically told me he didn't give a flying truck about the club it was just a way of filtering money from one business to another!

And i stuck to my word until Millers 05 took over.

The rest is history!



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Slider: So your views on the current regime are ..

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gazmadmiller wrote:

Slider: So your views on the current regime are ..

 I Honestly can't say anything wrong about big Tony as he's done so much for this club.

I still sit in awe every time i go to a home game and still expect to wake up from a dream and be sat in Millmoor!

I would never have thought when he came on the pitch at Don Valley and spoke to the fans about a new stadium e.t.c that it would happen.

You have to take your hat of to the man for what he's done,Yes some will moan that he owns the ground not the club but that might not be a bad thing in the future as if he did step aside and another Dennis Coleman type comes in and gets us into trouble the ground will not be part of any debt.

I also think if he did step aside at some point he wouldn't try and charge the next regime a fortune in rent as the fore mentioned scrap family tried to do to him.

He is a business man and in business you learn by your mistakes,when he first took over i was talking to a man who was part of the syndicate that took over Luton town, he was a director of wimpey homes.He told me that he had met Mr Stewart at the meeting when u****on Town and Bournemouth were deducted points and he told me that he was clueless about the football game but he was a strude Business man.

He told me that he would need to learn fast and get people around him in the know, hence why Paul Douglas was kept at the club from the previous regime.

I would say that he is probably the biggest problem in this situation as i know for a fact Warnock told Mr Stewart that if he did stay on that Douglas would have to go,This is 100% true and it could be one reason why he went back on his handshake over that famous game of golf at roundwood.

 



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To be honest I'm 50 50 yes we lost the first match. But when you see Blackburn spending decent money on new players we have spent 75k on a player. And we have got a Lad from millwall and another right back.. Warne needs to drop Taylor and get him.coached on crossing. We need a proper attacking midfielder get the money spent Top 5 budget is always mentioned but in comparison to what we will all ask lose tonight and Saturday and the fans will be up in arms. Tony you wont be able to ignore any discontent again

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hillsborough miller wrote:

To be honest I'm 50 50 yes we lost the first match. But when you see Blackburn spending decent money on new players we have spent 75k on a player. And we have got a Lad from millwall and another right back.. Warne needs to drop Taylor and get him.coached on crossing. We need a proper attacking midfielder get the money spent Top 5 budget is always mentioned but in comparison to what we will all ask lose tonight and Saturday and the fans will be up in arms. Tony you wont be able to ignore any discontent again

 Hillsbrough 75K is L2 money not "top 5 budget pushing for promotion" (a TS quote from pre season)

 



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I've been to Gainsborough, Chesterfield, Sheff U,Barnsley, Fleetwood, Lincoln and bought my First ST This year, feeling Good and confident about RUFC
not expecting miracles but last night after Lincoln Made it 1-1
i thought about the gaffer and going forward.
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31 5 4 22 16.1

Will we go onward and upward i think the Southend and Peterborough games might tell us if we've been had ?

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I think that like you Pidg most people don't really expect miracles. We know who and what we are and most of us who really care about the club would go if we were in The Champioship or The Conference or anywhere in between.

At the risk of repeating what I have said on here before, I think part of the problem is that the messages from the top build up our expectations too much. Would say eighth in League 1 constitute a failure for RUFC? I suspect based on our history it is probably about where we tend to be on average. But in the context of a Chairman who talks from time to time about 'top five budget', 'pushing for promotion', 'top half of The Championship looking up' and even becoming a Premiership club as short to medium term goals, then I suppose it would have to be classed as a failure.

I guess what I am saying is that by saying that sort of thing TS sets the bar pretty high year after year, and if he encourages us to buy into that he can't complain if we then judge him by that measure. He also heaps pressure on successive managers by setting what some might think are unrealistic targets so publicly. To me it might be better to manage expectations a bit, then questions like 'have we been had?' couldn't be asked.

I also guess that in his successful business life TS is quite used to achieving what he sets out to achieve and maybe he sees football as a business like any other.

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Gaz get real. What's TS got to do. Evans b*lls it up his 2nd season in the championship. Since then we've had managers who were either next to useless or in the case of Warnock & Jackett didn't want the job. TS puts all the money back into the club we make. We'll have one of the top wage bills in that league this season, that's were the money is going. I'm backing TS. Got season ticket been to both home frendly's + Lincoin game. Going to Man C game. UTM

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I think Smiler hits the nail on the head, it's a really sad state of affairs that modern footy we're talking about promotion & relegation and all that now before a ball has been kicked. I don't remember it being like that years ago. I may be wrong but even when hot shot Bobby was banging em in, the talk was always of what ifs and not we're nailed on, we just kept playing and kept winning. When RM did the L1 promo we were all waiting for something to go upside down, but again we kept playing, fighting & winning. To this day, the Northampton away game is the best singular Rotherham performance I've ever seen.

What will be will be, but like Smiler says, I agree I think the public messages coming out of the club have always been awful at 'managing expectations'. When was the last time you heard one of ours say, we'll just go again next week and see what it brings, repeat, repeat. There's no harm in that, and seriously do the club think that messages such as what we've seen impact significantly on attendances and other revenues, no - only one thing does that and that's a team averaging 2 points a game.

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Although attendance isn't mandatory to say I'm not going to put another penny in for TS then to say you will continue to support the club is contradictory. You mean you will look at results. That is all.

I'm not judging you but TS has had 1 bad year and quite a few good ones. It's like refusing to ever go on holiday again because you went to Ibiza and it rained all week.

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