Too predictable first half. Just trying to hit and run channels and never looked a threat. Played better second half. Ironic that they scored twice in the second half - all their best chances were in the first.
John Taylor sums us up. Lots of effort (can't fault him for that) but no end product due to a lack of quality.
They had two players who ran the game. Jedinek won everything in midfield and looked like it was all quite easy for him, and Dexter's mate Lansbury refereed it (badly).
We just aren't good enough to compete in The Championship, and some of those players aren't going to be good enough to help us be competitive in League 1.
Paul Warne - great guy but not a manager.
-- Edited by smiler on Saturday 4th of March 2017 08:58:19 PM
Agree with every word smiler, we must be so easy to play against. As you say, no quality anywhere on the field, effort only gets you so far. Actually Taylor reminds me a lot of Warnie as a player, especially in the latter part of his playing career, every blade of grass covered, end result zip.
Yet more embarrassing comments from Warney after the game. Tony for God's sake get a manager in now, and at the risk of upsetting all the Warne lovers. Sack him now and let him take all his team of has been and never beens with him. It pains me to make these comments about Warney but they are necessary. We need a root and branch clear out of the backroom staff before it's to late and we end up in League 2. My comments are harsh but necessary. And before anybody accuses me of being a plastic or a moaner I have attended every game this season home and away and will probably continue to do so, because it's what I do. But bring to an end Warneys impersonation of an headless chicken for both his own sanity and mine. Enough is enough Tony.
You'll get a lot of rhetoric and platitudes but in the end nothing will change. I couldn't get any worse if you tried.
Perhaps therein lay the answer. Perhaps relegation was the aim of the season. Why else would the system be set up seemingly to fail and then do nothing to rectify it both on and off the pitch.
Lets face it, if we had any real ambition to at least try to compete we wouldn't have waited to see what was at the bottom of the pecking order and choose from, as towd codger says, has beens, never beens, and invalids, and then blame the greedy agents and other clubs for spoiling tactics.
All we've done is fulfil a fixture list and donated goals and points to the opposing teams.
We are also going to be first team relegated and break the low point scoring record this year. It's been dreadful and have to agree it looks bad enough to have been planned to end like this. I'd like to know how much we made this year and how much is still in the club - because we've spent sweet FA on anything.
Didnt go Saturday, was rearranging my sock draw so i cant comment on that but what all the above are saying I have been banging on about all season. No support from the board for the club or any of the previous 5 managers hence the s**T hole of a position we now find ourselves in. As for the big come back next season, not a chance, our budget ill once again be found inadequate and by the 18/19 season we will be a league 2 club !!
Yes, theres big money to be earned by being in the Championship, but there is also a hell of a cost, in wages, fees, building an up to date fit for purpose training ground etc etc. All on a budget with a of 8 -9k home crowd. No external income stream from the Guest & Chrimes non development or from the empty retail units.
All very exciting at first but after two seasons of make do and mend its cut and run, now the real cost of 2nd tier football is becoming apparent.
Sounds like a good conspiracy theory to me, was that Stubbs on the grassy knoll? I've convinced myself at any rate.
Yes, theres big money to be earned by being in the Championship, but there is also a hell of a cost, in wages, fees, building an up to date fit for purpose training ground etc etc. All on a budget with a of 8 -9k home crowd. No external income stream from the Guest & Chrimes non development or from the empty retail units.
All very exciting at first but after two seasons of make do and mend its cut and run, now the real cost of 2nd tier football is becoming apparent.
Sounds like a good conspiracy theory to me, was that Stubbs on the grassy knoll? I've convinced myself at any rate.
Maybe TL, but in any season we only have to finish above three teams... I keep watching the Championship show and can't help thinking we ought to be good enough to stay up even with our current finances.
It can surely not make better business sense to have less income in a lower league, so I don't buy the argument we can't 'afford' to be in the championship, as it is the same statement as saying you can't afford to be a successful business.
It's a failing on the pitch, it's failing to keep Warnock, and it's a failing to do simple business such as land the players we want and the CRAZY decision not to sell Ward. (that is a simply a bad business decision, not a football one).
In my opinion it is not the fact we are in the championship but more that we are failing to run the business of RUFC properly that is causing all these issues.
In my opinion, TS simply must address his staff issues if we are to turn a corner, otherwise I fear for next season too.
TS is not daft, so maybe he has a plan, and I hope he has, my fear is that he might be reluctant to make the massive backroom staff changes needed if some of these people, who are clearly not up to the task, are friends or family...
Yet more embarrassing comments from Warney after the game. Tony for God's sake get a manager in now, and at the risk of upsetting all the Warne lovers. Sack him now and let him take all his team of has been and never beens with him. It pains me to make these comments about Warney but they are necessary. We need a root and branch clear out of the backroom staff before it's to late and we end up in League 2. My comments are harsh but necessary. And before anybody accuses me of being a plastic or a moaner I have attended every game this season home and away and will probably continue to do so, because it's what I do. But bring to an end Warneys impersonation of an headless chicken for both his own sanity and mine. Enough is enough Tony.
Agree 100% - his comments are cringe-worthy e.g. " We need to score at least two because we will concede" or words to that effect. Love him, Millers legend, but is doing more harm than good as the manager.
So, we need a new manager, and we'll need him in place right from the beginning of the new season... so why not get one in this month or at the latest next month - and get the players playing for their contracts next season and let the new manager see what issues he has to address (like needing a complete new defence...)
We are also going to be first team relegated and break the low point scoring record this year. It's been dreadful and have to agree it looks bad enough to have been planned to end like this. I'd like to know how much we made this year and how much is still in the club - because we've spent sweet FA on anything.
paid stubbs contract up and his staff,Football the only place you get paid for being pathetic at your job!
Saturday's game reminded me of a Sunday League game on a local rec. One that you might stop and watch for a bit whilst walking the dog. Two teams full of endeavour and effort but devoid almost entirely of quality, save the odd player on each team. Tactically inept with most of the outfield players within a few yards of the ball. A referee taken from the friends and/or family of one of the teams hence his undoubted bias and two clueless linesmen. A game I'd normally move on from pretty quickly as neither side appeared remotely capable of scoring a decent goal.
Villa were awful and so much poorer than when I went to Villa Park in August. Any half decent team would have murdered them but we aren't a quarter decent.
Positives were the conversion to right back of Vaulks, he was good. belied looks better and better and Frecks made a welcome return, but for how long?
Price in goal is definitely our best keeper and Purrington will be an asset next season.
Negatives were the continued struggles of Yates up front. He just looks so isolated and off the pace. I'm still not sure whether he will be any better next season in League One. Can see him ending up in non league unless he improves a lot. Newell looks a shadow of the player he was prior to his injury. We just don't look likely to score goals at all.
Paul Warne talks a good game and is a nice guy. Is he a manager? Rumours on Saturday were rife that he will be appointed very soon as permanent in the job. We shall see.
Yes, theres big money to be earned by being in the Championship, but there is also a hell of a cost, in wages, fees, building an up to date fit for purpose training ground etc etc. All on a budget with a of 8 -9k home crowd. No external income stream from the Guest & Chrimes non development or from the empty retail units.
All very exciting at first but after two seasons of make do and mend its cut and run, now the real cost of 2nd tier football is becoming apparent.
Sounds like a good conspiracy theory to me, was that Stubbs on the grassy knoll? I've convinced myself at any rate.
Maybe TL, but in any season we only have to finish above three teams... I keep watching the Championship show and can't help thinking we ought to be good enough to stay up even with our current finances.
It can surely not make better business sense to have less income in a lower league, so I don't buy the argument we can't 'afford' to be in the championship, as it is the same statement as saying you can't afford to be a successful business.
It's a failing on the pitch, it's failing to keep Warnock, and it's a failing to do simple business such as land the players we want and the CRAZY decision not to sell Ward. (that is a simply a bad business decision, not a football one).
In my opinion it is not the fact we are in the championship but more that we are failing to run the business of RUFC properly that is causing all these issues.
In my opinion, TS simply must address his staff issues if we are to turn a corner, otherwise I fear for next season too.
TS is not daft, so maybe he has a plan, and I hope he has, my fear is that he might be reluctant to make the massive backroom staff changes needed if some of these people, who are clearly not up to the task, are friends or family...
YoU convinced me to TL.
David, you say it was crazy not to sell ward but the difficulty with that position is that we had no one to spend it on. No someone who would have made the rest of your point pertinent. I think its correct to point out that survival in the championship is possible but we have so little room for errors that it makes the possible highly improbable .
Its the same re Warnock and stubbs and Jackett. All 3 of them turned out to be bad decisions for us this year. Stubbs was an utter mistake from day one. Warnock should have been made to hurry up and sign or walk and Jackett just let us all down. But what can one say that is anything other than they were mistakes. Sure enough Warnock would not have walked away from a club with potential and neither would Jackett. Its also highly unlikely a team with money and ambition would have employed stubbs.
The one thing that seems to fit all the evidence is that we simply do not have enough money to cover up mistakes and our lack of money drives us into mistakes more often than the chance of getting a good reliable product.
I will refer back once again to the parting of the ways with steve evans. Once the club decided it couldnt afford the loan players we needed and noting the rules were changing his days were up. The only way to survive in any division is to have the money to spend on wages and transfer fees and the attractiveness to get the best loan players...look how frankly embarrassing it was to have izzy brown taken away because we lack the ability to provide him an education.
He was very good at it overall but when clubs knew it was on its way they had to have a good long hard look at their operating procedures. This thing is it meant clubs without the ability to spend on wages and fees simply had no other way to stay in touch with the bigger clubs.
Evans choose Mansfield because he knew that relatively speaking he would have resources.
I imagine that the club told SE that they would simply rein in the loan spending and thats what created the split as evans knew he couldnt do a job here without it...so off he goes , somewhat prematurely in my eyes...and then we get this well intentioned but flawed idea of academy and being able to compete wage for wage and fee for fee.
