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Talk is easy - millions to spend, confident of bringing in strikers, after Barnsley more will be leaving than anticipated etc, etc - but the transfer window slams shut and your efforts and ability are clear for all to see. Bold statements will no longer cut the mustard because, apart from a free agent or two, we are what we are. There's a salutary lesson here for both TS and AS. Don't treat your fanbase like a bunch of schoolkids who can be fobbed off with a few juicy false promises. Most of us aren't daft and if you told us what you'd like to achieve but that achieving it might be very difficult because of our limited budget, we would understand because we're used to operating in adversity and enjoying getting one over on the big boys. By making unrealistic promises, you've exposed yourselves to criticism and fans begin to wonder if you're competent to fulfil the role that you have at our club. Please learn this lesson and appreciate what it is to be a Miller. If we all pull in the same direction, regardless of the odds, we'll enjoy the challenge and no-one will criticise you for trying. Try and pull the wool over our eyes - you'll never be forgiven! Having said that, it's not the end of the world. I guarantee that Neil Warnock would be able to mould our current players into a good, difficult to beat team. Start by playing a left back at left back - Mattock has to play. Get Frecks and Adeyemi fit and all of a sudden the midfield looks strong and creative. Up front you need to work with what you have which is 4 players who will score goals - Taylor, Brown, Ward and Yates, and plenty of goalscoring potential from midfield - Frecks, Vaulks, Newell. How you get them into goalscoring positions is what you're paid for. All is not lost but please let's have some realistic rhetoric in future and you'll find a grateful public backing you all the way. Onwards and upwards.

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Well said glen

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Absolutely agree with the sentiment and indeed facts of the matter-lets hope they dont spin it in their heads. However, such insight is very rare im afraid.

on the playing side so far as ability is concerned then I would agree that Frecks and from the tiny bit I have seen of Aadeyemi could work out well. Lots of managers and players need to find the right position in the right club to flourish and lets hope this is true of Adeyemi because he looked like the only kind of player we have who can bring the midfield some stability and battle.

up front its far from unclear what can be delivered. we know Ward very well now. His injury record is bad and its a travesty to rely on him. I also think hes best suited wide and as such could not think of him as a striker. Yates looks like he is hungry and he looks like he has ability to score at this level so for me he has to start. will stubbs do it? That is the issue right now-no one trusts him and thats a big, big problem the club has to recognise in its communications to the fans. Brown definately has the physical skills but I was so disappointed to see his attitude last saturday. He is young and thats a problem. How much he can flourish under adversity I do not know. Taylor seems such an honest pro and I like his pace and intent but how many goals he can score Id say is going to be very unimpressive. He is not a goalscorer in any sense and I would only expect literally only a  handful of goals tops from him.

so, for me its down to yates, and stubbs ultimate plan is to starve the opposition and revive the days of 1 nil to the Arsenal . This is simply the only way we can pick up enough points.

defence:

He has invested in the defence more than any other department. If I look at it then it seems obvious. He has let strikers go and seems unimpressed enough to not panic or not see the need. However, in both defensive midfielders and defenders themselves he has invested. He has let smallwood and Thorpe go presumably due to pace but kept hold of all the similar types . In actual defence he has pretty much kept everyone: wood, broadfoot, belaid, mattick, kelly , halford, fisher, ball and wilson. Thats 9 defenders v 2 strikers. Of the midfielders, whether are not we include halford again (or indeed as a striker-lol) there are 3 holding midfielders and 2 wingers.

attacking options are forde, taylor, brown. creative players are ; allen and vaulks and defensive players are forster-caskey, halford, and newall.

losing JCH is a blow but no excuses the club had plenty of time to consider that.

my impressions are not changed from what I surmised when we appointed stubbs and based on his record at Hibs.

He is not an attacking manager.
he is not a defensive manager.
He believes very much in blending a team that takes no chances going froward and relies on its defensive integrity to match the opposition with the philosophy that his team score at least a goal and then fall back and hit on the counter.

This is the championship however and although many games do indeed take that format where one team gets the first goal and percentage wise goes on to win it I fear he has left us too weak across the middle. Warnock was no different in his philosophy-keep it tight and nick one. The difference is that warnock really stretched the opposition without putting the team under loads of pressure in every game. He had Derbyshire to run ragged wide and get in when needed and Best and ward to support him. This enabled the rest of the team to conserve energy and shape. Im not sure yates and ward can do that and I know that Brown deffo cannot.



-- Edited by ian on Thursday 1st of September 2016 09:34:44 AM

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Great OP by the way, and one I totally agree with.

I think the majority of our problem is our own deficiencies from coaching / management as anything else. I also think the players brought in aren't that bad footballers. AS needs his head reading if he can't see what the problem is with his own team / ethos. While AS seems to be a nice chap, admirable at what he's achieved after battling cancer etc, he's yet to persuade me his credentials match what he actually does. Doesn't believe in ranting & raving, sorry pal but in this day & age even the biggest did (Ferguson), and in some instances it works. I'd have gone ballistic at full time at Barnsley - especially if they'd not done anything I'd asked of them at half time to up their performance. In the Champ as we know, its more about good old fashioned simple football and man management than anything else. Those that think it needs to be from some kind of encyclopaedia of football strategy and statistics shouldn't be in the game.

AS still has the time, opportunity etc to change it - the ball really is in his court


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I agree about Yates - about time he got the call from the off and Ward sits it out for an hour. AS should tell him he's got an hour to run his blood to water and prove he can cope in the division. Subs appearances are terrible because it takes 10 minutes to get a feel for the game and that's all he's been getting at most. This will get me lynched but I would have liked to have seen SE given the £ that others have supposedly - he could see a player and brought a few here whom we couldn't keep/afford. He ended up panning for gold in all the has beens and crocks which I'm sure wasn't his ideal situation. He would have also *******ed the team from the sidelines on Saturday - he knew what a derby meant to us.

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In answer to that, I think SE denied his own ability to sign such players by paying the ones that were dross far too much money and taking up too much of the budget, how many played once then never again? - Can you really sign a player and only give him 1 game? Just the same as that with AS - signs players then says they'll be moving out (which he obviously can't do now, was obviously a public threat).

Poor workmen blame their tools as they say. I think its the case with most struggling teams in all divisions, its not always the case its just bad players, its the management not knowing how to get the best from what they have and knowing how to use them in a plan B or C during games when things need tweaking.

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I'm. A huge Evans fan and those are good points by Ex.

It's good to remember our recent past and how we got here.

Evans could certainly motivate and find a player or two and there are several players from his rein I'd have back tomorrow.

Warnock was both a great tactician and motivator.  Sadly , we didn't get to see what he could do with our budget over a season.



-- Edited by ian on Thursday 1st of September 2016 07:09:39 PM

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