THE gulf between English league football and Scottish league football has always been wide, in terms of the money sloshing around, the calibre of the players and the attendances. But it is surely wider now than ever before.
Take this example. Imagine that a manager of Manchester City or Chelsea decided that he wished for a new challenge and had just been afforded an opportunity that was simply “too good to turn down”. Not at Barcelona or Bayern, nor still at Arsenal. Nope, the irresistible offer had come from Rotherham United, a tiny club marooned perpetually in the bottom quadrant of the Championship, apart from when relegation rears its head, and with an average attendance that would fill a quarter of one stand at his current club. People would look askance at such a decision, I think.
Hibernian are Scotland’s fifth biggest club, in terms of attendances, behind Rangers, Celtic, Aberdeen and their Edinburgh rivals, Hearts. Maybe sixth biggest in terms of silverware — behind Dundee. Four league titles, three-time winners of the Scottish Cup. It is true that for the last couple of seasons they have been playing in the Scottish Championship – one of the nastiest leagues in the world to get out of in an upwards direction, all the more so when you have Rangers alongside you. But still, Scotland’s fifth biggest club, at least.
Hibernian’s manager Alan Stubbs has announced he will be leaving Easter Road and Edinburgh for an offer which was “too good to turn down”. At Rotherham United. Stubbs had taken Hibs to their first Scottish Cup triumph in 114 years, beating Rangers 3-2 in the final. He had also shepherded the side to two successive playoff places. Hibs lost last season to Rangers, and this time around to the might of Falkirk, who themselves were defeated by Kilmarnock. Hibs will remain, then, the giants of the Scottish Championship and when they are inevitably promoted, sooner or later, will be giants in the Scottish Premier League too. So why did Stubbs go?
The remarkable thing is that the annual turnover at lowly Rotherham United is almost twice that of Hibernian - £11m versus £5.8m, according to the latest statistics. Even when Hibs were playing in the top tier their turnover was substantially lower than that of Rotherham’s. Indeed Rotherham’s turnover is substantially greater than that of Hearts, the third best supported club in Scotland after the two Glasgow giants.
And this is despite Rotherham’s average attendances being substantially lower than that of Hibs, Aberdeen or Hearts. It is television money which has created this weird anomaly, whereby Rotherham United might seem a more attractive proposition than Hibernian.
Wigan Athletic, in the third tier, enjoyed a turnover of almost six times that of Hibs – a consequence almost entirely of continuing parachute payments following their defenestration from the Premier League three years ago. Meanwhile, The Millers escaped relegation to the third tier this season as a consequence of the inevitably rejuvenating effect of appointing Neil Warnock as manager, just as the trapdoor was opening. With safety assured, Warnock declined to sign a new contract, saying: “I didn’t really look forward to the thought of 10 months of training there. And to be battling in the bottom half of the table.”
The training facilities are, according to Warnock, parlous and will come as a surprise to Stubbs. So welcome to South Yorkshire, Mr Stubbs. Warnock added that at least the new manager would have more money to play with than he had at Easter Road, but wondered — presumably jokingly — if maybe he could do a job swap, as he and his wife had always enjoyed the spectacular Scottish scenery and the city of Edinburgh in particular. Sad to say that this will most likely not occur: Hibs are already sizing up Neil Lennon, fresh from having catapulted Bolton Wanderers downwards to the third tier in one of the most ignominious relegations seen in recent years. And yet Bolton, too, enjoyed a turnover of £28m. Where there’s muck there’s brass.
No matter how talented a coach Stubbs might be — and his record at Hibs suggests the scouser is indeed adept, even if he didn’t get them to the Premiership (twice) — Rotherham are unlikely to set the division alight next season. I think it is fairly safe to predict that it will be a season of struggle once again. A good dozen or so clubs in the Championship next season will still be in receipt of parachute payments. How can Rotherham compete? Stubbs may find himself stymied by the very financial machinations which attracted him in the first place."
do an editorial on your own clubs moronic fan base first
Shocking journalism. The basic point that one of the biggest few clubs in Scotland can't compete financially with one of the smaller clubs in The Championship is not news. For a while we have seen players who can't cut it in The Championship finding their level in the Scottish Premiership and the finances are there for all to see. Connor Sammon has just signed for Hearts and will probably do ok. The way Liddle delivers his point in such a condescending way is irritating to say the least. Worst of all he has his basic facts wrong. Our average attendance was more than theirs last year and would half fill their stadium. If you are going to have bitter little digs at us Mr Liddle please have the courtesy to get your facts straight.
I don't see anything wrong with that, it highlights what, without Sky TV money happens to a league which has far too many divisions - and for its size perhaps far too many clubs.
Perhaps the only club to be less attractive than Rotherham in the Championship are Burton Albion, our training facilities are well do***ented and this season we'll be competing with more clubs getting parachute payments (as 2 went up with them and 3 down).
We have to be realistic, the angle hasn't changed for us. Until we're raking cash in from G&C, and there is evidence our town will support and fill a 16k stadium every week - we're always going to be up against it - and little old Rotherham.
AS appointment doesn't fill me with confidence neither dread. Just like all the candidates it was very 'meh' - but what does it matter - whoever came in would be fighting with the same limitations. Even NW cannot sustain what he did season long, I think he knew this and left on a high.
4th bottom this season will be an even greater achievement than our previous 2 seasons, but that doesn't matter - if we want to get to the next level we're in a far better position financially doing it in the Championship than L1 which would be virtually impossible.
Totally agree with your fourth paragraph. What a season this is going to be!
Burton may be "in our league" but, I think their training complex maybe a tad better than ours 😊 ?
When a player is thinking of joining a club, he will look at the training ground, as that is where he goes to work every day. Yes, I agree that players will/should train anywhere however, having a world class facility cannot do any harm either.
Take grass versus G3 versus G4 pitches. G4 is the best for training by miles but for actual football it is grass. Well maintained grass that is. Not covered in dog muck and glass like the Outu kumpu site and not hard on the knees like Aurora.
Training grounds need hot water too unlike every blooming Sunday league ground I ever played at.
I have no problem with rod liddle,I read his column everyweek and agree sometimes and disagree sometimes,which I think is the way it is supposed to be(just like on a fans forum).The way I read it was as a comment on the disparity in money vis-a-vis scotland and the english leagues.Maybe I am naive.
The article itself is condescending and factually wrong.
1. The comparison in the first paragrapth is hyterical. Its Hibs stubbs has left and not man city or chelsea.
2. It has been true for a very long time that championship teams in England are better than half the Scottish premiership
3. Being the fifth biggest club in Scotland is no way to measure anything.
4. Using Rotherham and Stubbs record at Hibs is disingenuous too. He hasnt been successful at all. He won them a very prized cup is all. From his point of view the only way is down considering not just the nature of that historic win but the fact the promotion is inevitable but failure possible.
5. Stubbs didnt just come for RUFC. Little ole Rotherham and any wage he might be getting is a piece of a massive jigsaw that sees him gain publicity for a bigger Job in England. That has always been true too.
conclusion:
If one removes all the above from the article the only thing that is a fact is that the Championship is a far better league than the Scottish premiership and always has been. It hasnt just been TV money. Take our example alone; TS had a vision and he put it together himself. Nothing stopping anyone with similar desire and know-how doing the same in Scotland. The fact its harder is because they have **** teams and when Rangers and Celtic are taken as the anomaly they are, then the English leagues have approximately 50 clubs as big as the rest of the Scottish premiership. N.B. I just made up the 50 but the gulf is historically so big that Im probably very close to that being a fact.
so, what was the point of the article one wonders.
we already know that money is king and always has been. The amount has grown astronomically but im not so certain its resulted in a relatively bigger gap-has it?
Im sure there was a time ,perhaps 30 years ago when a small club like RUFC would have lost everyday of the week to Hibs but that hasnt been true for a very long time now. Even when Ronnie took us up the Gap was quite small and in the 80s when Porterfield was king we were probably bigger if one looks at their average gate for that entire decade of a low of 4.500 and a high of 9-11 at the very end of that 10 year stint
Okay you have me.I will from now on Spit on the grave of anyone who even suggests,however tenuously,to critisise or question the the aims or standing of the mighty,the one and only -all together now-RUFC.
The best teams in Scotland would struggle in the championship - even Celtic & Rangers wouldn't make the grade for the premiership. They haven't got the population to pay enough TV subscription money to make their leagues able to fund 'superstars' on £300k a week. Murdoch has ****** up football in the UK.
Perhaps Scottish football is the true measure of British football when we consider how Sky and its lure of mammon, has spawned the Premiership, which has been mentioned on another thread, is no longer representative of English game.
I agree with most of the points made by most of the posters. I just can't see what the purpose of the article was. Stop the press - there's no money in Scottish football but loads in England. We've known that for years. Isn't the Championship the third most watched league in Europe? I can agree that Sky money has ruined football but it isn't news. Three things irritate me about the article. It isn't newsworthy, he got his basic facts wrong, and he is condescending about a relatively small club that is doing well to punch above its weight (at the expense of his own team, which may or may not be relevant). Cheap lazy journalism. It won't keep me awake at night though.
i treat any journo apart from Locals ones as short sighted Londoners, as they cannot see further than Milton Keynes, ignorance of the highest order.
The agenda for this season has to be survive, no fail.
I know we have the luxury of going under the radar, but Stubbs could build something along the lines of Bournemouth, and mid table this season could attract better players next.
Its all coulda woulda shoulda, we are where we are, we have no rich oil baron bankrolling us like Bournemouth, but what we have is an honest Chairman, who is not ready to rush into changing anything without it being a long term benefit to the club.
Bums on seats is a priority but we have to be playing good football for this to happen.
Training facilities, i agree with Heman, training grounds are so much more than just pitches of grass laid out. you have nutrionists , chefs etc to add into the mix.
Cant wait for the start of the season even though i will be on Holiday,
I listen to talksport a lot and the southern or manchester bias is unbelievable, at times it is radio Arsenal. Even that so called yorkshireman and barnsley fan (the one that didn't go to wembley) D. Gough brings every discussion around to man Utd. Any lower league debate is a london club, peterborough or milton keynes, it is very very lazy journalism. The worst is that idiot John Cross, how he is a chief footbal writer for a national newspaper is beyond me, basically he knows about London, arsenal (his team) and some big clubs from the north west, at times in his morning slot he has actually said he doesn't know who is top of the championship or L1. It isn't that hard this is your full time job.
They are so tightly linked to agents, players and managers for their stories they rarely bite the hand that feeds, they are not journalists they are scribes for the clubs press departments.
This article tries to make a good point but shows lazy journalism, because he knows it doesn't matter people don't care about the truth or accuracy
I would welcome views from our two journalists that are on here
I can't be doing with Talksport or Football heaven etc. Full of has-beens trying to waffle for hours on end about 22 blokes kicking a bag of wind round a field. That's how good they are.