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leedlefriend
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Just watched the game on Kodi..

Good God.

I think we're in trouble

 



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Agreed, we were terrible.

Burke & Green need dropping. Shinnie did nothing when he came on. It's a good job Burnley didn't have their shooting boots on - they had 4 or 5 excellent chances before they got their second. If Newell scores then it could have been a different story.

We need to beat Reading on Tuesday.

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Couldn't agree more. Both Burke and Shinnie were totally ineffective. Newell missed an absolute sitter. Green was poor, Frazer's delivery was abysmal, JCH and Best may has well have stayed on the bus, Smallwood was very busy but was forever chasing the ball and his touch was off today. Halford didn't appear to make any howlers and Camp was solid as ever. Broadfoot MOM for us, and despite the penalty, I've seen worse at centre back than Doyley.

Well, onwards and upwards!



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Didn't expect anything today and still only 5 points off safety.

On to Reading. Keep the faith boys and girls.

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Even when you expect to lose it is always disappointing when it happens, but let's face it we were always likely to come away pointless today. We went down to a penalty and a late second when we were chasing the game. It could have been worse. We worked hard and battled. The lack of attacking threat is a worry, but if we go down this season it won't be because we lost at Burnley. Write that one off and on to the next one.

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L1 here we come. I honestly thought appointing Warnock would give us half a chance, but he immediately "does a Redfean/Evans" & starts shopping in the bargain bucket for "experience" (old men) like Doyley & Thomas to compliment the other old men we have in our team.
TBH relegation will come as something of a relief as it will give us the opportunity to compete with clubs of a similar financial standing to ourselves as this season has been soul destroying!!!

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They were the better team even if Newells chance had gone in we'd have been very lucky to hold on to a draw

looks like its mk dons we're chasing now - points gap is still the same but 1 game less

no one was outstanding thought Halford was good - to say he's not been played all season - nice to see him back on the long throws

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Neil Warnock will do right. Already said G Ward its his gig now. I'd switch Doyley with Halford in positions at the back. Need a central midfield player in for Green. Mattock is back tues.

There pen, if there's a doubt its not a pen. Looked on the line or just outside, defo' not inside the line.

Keep in touch till end of March, April on paper there's more points to be won.

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I watched it too on the live stream and couldn't help but feel for the 700 hearty souls that bothered.

I was worried when I saw the team news. I can't believe manages continue to play Smallwood and Green as the midfield pair in a flat 4-4-2 because it will never work. Similarly, the defence looked very much a whose who of Championship has-beens and couldn't work out who was going to the the centre back with Broady; turns out it was Doyley. Shame he gave away the pen as otherwise I'd say he had a good debut. Broady coped well again, Halford did ok but I really don't get Richardson. He's slow on the floor, h's weak and on the ball he is the biggest hoofball merchant going.Just aimless thumps to nobody.

Which nicely brings me onto the gameplan. Seemed to be to not play any football at all, thump it at every opportunity and live off the scraps. And we even did that badly. Our more creative players were poor today. Burke seemed disinterested and wasteful, Newell wasn't at his best and JCH was appalling.

We need to be a hundred times better if we're to get anything from Reading and Brentford. I'm genuinely concerned the Wednesday game could be a humiliating day out.

Oh, and I've never nown an injury-prone player like Danny Ward. I'm a fan of him when fit and playing but he's made of bloody glass. The first challenge that did the damage today was an absolutely nothing challenge that most people just get over. We can't afford to keep upsetting the balance of the team by having to shuffle when he inevitably limps off. Given how bad JCH was and how completely ineffective Derbyshire is 50% of the time, think it's time to utilise the loan market and get someone half capable in.

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I will get behind whatever NW tries because I sympathise with his predicament, so this isn't a moan, just an opinion. That is consecutive games we have played 442 and we haven't really looked like scoring or creating much. We haven't got the players to play 442 and compete. A two man central midfield with our players will get overrun and we haven't got two quality strikers on the books. With the players we have playing 442 we will inevitably end up playing long balls and living off scraps and set pieces. And it won't be exciting - it will be predictable and not pretty. Yes we will compete and battle, but can 442 get us results? I personally don't think so. The idea that having two up front is somehow more positive is a fallacy. And Danny Ward needs to sort himself out. Surely nobody can get so many unfortunate niggly knocks in a season. He is either the unluckiest player I have ever known, has a genuinely poor constitution or needs to man up a bit. Whichever it is we can't keep taking him off in the first halves of games and wasting a sub. Just opinions.

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42 points left, 5 adrift, still in with a chance.

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we was in a league of 6/7 about 5 games ago now we are in a league of 4, we do have a chance but we need to start planning for league 1 if we haventalready. All we can do as fans is support the team on match days and hope for a miracle

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Optimism is a funny thing. Thus far from 32 we've got 26 points, from the last 14 we need 20, that's a swing from 0.8 points per game to 1.4, almost double which in our terms is promotion form. That's not factoring the month from hell we've known about since the fixtures came out. I see nothing to suggest we have it in us to turn that kind of statistic, its too late, there will be no Warnock factor this time. You could be more optimistic if we were actually scoring, we aren't, we can't - and its that which will ultimately send us down. For nearly 2 seasons now, we concede 1st and 9 times out of 10 (more?), we lose (ok it was different league) but contrast that to L2 & especially L1 - we always felt we had a goal in us, even up to the 94th minute, these days most games we could play 940 minutes and still not be able to score. It is what it is, we will go down, but life doesn't stop there, we regroup, learn the mistakes and go again. I'd like to be able to go to the Keepmoat, Bramall Lane & Oakwell, strangely I've never been. Oh and Plymouth would be good again. It would actually be nice to be able to compete on a more even playing field. I'd rather be a big fish in a small pond, these 2 seasons have made football extremely unentertaining - and ultimately that's what its about.

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The stats have been bordering on the truth for a long time. As the games run out the truth emerges. Its like that is truth. When it comes to the line there aint no ifs or buts.

There are some unknowns out there just waiting to pop into existence but right now we looked nailed on.

We shall see.




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Bang on I'd say - Great post. Wonder which players we'd lose if we went down though...

Newell to a Champ side..Kirk back to Jockland... Halford and Thorpe won't renew contracts...Derbs to anywhere...Rawson back to Derby...Grant back to Spurts...Frecks back to his parent club at the NHS...



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On current form not a chance of staying up.

Allowing Morgan to leave was a big mistake, not replacing the quality of Arnie with a similar type player was also a huge mistake. The players brought in were inferior to the one`s we let go. Mistakes have been made all through the season, not having a settled back-line through injuries, suspensions and tinkering with the line up have not helped the cause at all. Ofoe going back to Norwich was a body blow as well. Poor defending at crucial times of the game, the list is endless.

We may only have 9 Players on the books come August, Newell, Belaid, Dawson, Camp, JCH, D.Ward, Yates, not sure of Frecks or Buxtons contract details.

Whoever the manager is next season has a huge re-building job on his hands.

Teams relegated from the Championship rarely bounce straight back up, Man City and Norwich being a couple of exceptions. Leeds, Wednesday`s didn`t find a quick return. Sheffield United are also finding it difficult in League 1.

Just hope the majority of supporters standby the club to give a new manager a half decent playing budget.



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Perhaps the only saving grace to going back to L1 is that the Champ was an unexpected and unknown beast last time. In L2 we'd have been planning for L1, I don't think we'd got round to thinking about the Championship, at least this time we will and if we do get back it will be with eyes wide open.

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I am not writing us off just yet - we do still have a chance - but I tend to agree with a lot of what Cub and Ex have said. Whether we stay up or not, we need a new manager in the summer (I don't think NW would want to stay or that we could afford him in the long run anyway) and a host of new players. Of the players who are ours I would only keep Newell, D Ward, JCH, Belaid, Camp, Smallwood, Dawson (haven't seen him yet) and Mattock whichever division we are in. Maybe Thorpe if in League 1. Newell is our only saleable asset and as we know if someone comes in for him it would be hard to keep him. If JCH ever had any real value he doesn't have it now. If anyone offered us what we paid for him I would take it. I hope Buxton doesn't trigger a second year on his contract. I recall we gave Frecks a new long term contract in the summer. With hindsight that was a mistake. Looking back, we probably did go up a year too early. The shame is that we managed to stay up last season which made you think that we could kick on this season. Again looking back, we already had some ageing players who were on the decline who we kept on, and we added to them with too many players past their best and/or with recent history of injuries. The bottom line is that our recruitment in the summer was very, very poor and we have been in trouble since day one this season. With hindsight it looks like we recruited to try and finish fourth bottom and survive one year at a time rather than building beyond that and it has backfired. I would cite Preston as a comparison. They delayed coming up by a season because we beat them in the playoffs, but they built from there. They are now mid table looking up (where TS said we wanted to be) with pretty much the same squad they came up with. We got it wrong. Too many changes too soon and bad choices. If we have to rebuild it might be easier to do it in League 1 although I agree with Cub that it wouldn't be a cakewalk in there.

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