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hillsborough miller
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Steve &*&(*&(*&(& ing evans is to blame 90% for the situation we find currently find ourselves in the other 10% is Tony stewart for not getting shut at the end of last season.  it was evident then as it is now he was lucky end of.

 

REDDERS has nothing to say sorry for and cannot i repeat cannot be blamed for that team yes he picks them but these are the QULAITY I REPEAT QUALITY  signings evans signed sanctioned niavely by Tony. who then woke up when evans he went back for more 

IF he was a passionate about our team as he says he was then why didnt he fight for his job. no he left and then lost any respect i did have for him with  the two promotions he gave us. then going back on his words and joining TURD UNITED

form saturday 

players to go

collins to slow get shut pllus he is the captain and should be firing the team up nothing

greeen to slow get shut

rawson poor poor again

danny ward lost the battle with the defender after the fist challenge then fell over 

thorpe bad game cant play with green

smallwood made the difference in my opinion

camp had a bad game but that was to no cover from THE RUBBISH RUBBISH DEFENCE 

get woods backs

team for leeds with the squad we got

collin

richardson or buxton woods thorpe toffolo

smallwood

bardsley halford newell 

harris derbyshire

let halford have another chance playing central midfielder 

 



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What utter rubbish. It took crappers until the second half to change that shambolic starting line up / formation. By that time we had been hammered.

If he can't recognise his best starting eleven then he really is crap.

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our situation is that we have fallen well adrift of safety and are playing appalling football.

we have a manager who is less than inspiring.

Redfern-poor: needs to stop blaming others and pick the best teams and show what ability he has to make them into winners.

Halford-moan, moan, moan: I wants in a good place. They broke promises. Im only **** because they played me in the wrong place.

Green-fights, good spirit and not half as bad when on the front foot.

Smallwood, JCH, Newall: should start.

Mattcok? good enough.

Derbyshire: obviously a good player but has not been good enough.

Buxton: A decent player but we could do better.

Richardson: Better than Buxton.

Both Wards are poo (as my 4 yr old would say)

Camp is good enough.

Thorpe: needs others to be playing well and then good.

Collins: not at the races.

Broadfoot: good enough when fit.

Rawson: generally good enough.

Maguire: oh dear. what a let down.

Toff: not ready yet.

Ledesma: useless

New lad: yes.

Andreu: yes

...some are only good in dominant displays and some are good nearly all the time and then there are those who should never put a shirt on at this level.

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I understand with all the kids you need some experienced heads, but when these experienced players are Collins & Green the line has to be drawn, they are not good enough to start football matches ability wise & neither does their experience offer them or the team any kind of benefits. In an equal world they should be lucky to be on a L1 contract, but the Evans duo and lap dog saw otherwise. Any half decent scout, if they'd have seen them play 3 times would have put a line through them as not being good enough in the Championship. Our situation started because 3 of our promotion players had had enough of Evans ranting & raving dictatorship. Its been made worse in that we're expecting a very good youth coach but not manager to try and squeeze something out of the horrendous signings probably nobody else in the Championship wanted, that's why they came here. People are being blinded by Cardiff & Birmingham, 2 games that are not reflective of this group of players. Fulham and MK Dons was the worst Ive seen since Rob Scott, Derby they'd given up after 5 minutes as there is no willingness or motivation for them to fight. Why should there be? A lot of these players their careers are on the way down, this is their last good contract, they get paid whether they perform or not, when they dont perform what's the penalty, they'll get dropped, so what, they don't care. They aren't playing for their next contract to be in the Championship, they know L1 or Scotland beckons

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3 of our promotion players wanted paying above the permitted wage structure. The club, not Evans, wouldn't bend hence they left for pastures new.

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oneaday wrote:

What utter rubbish. It took crappers until the second half to change that shambolic starting line up / formation. By that time we had been hammered.

If he can't recognise his best starting eleven then he really is crap.

 sorry i just cannnot agree the new manager is having to sort out the mess left by evans. and the task is far bigger than we realise

we got the players we got this season because they were the only ones who would come due to the oaf and his sidekick 

pringle and morgan left due to the way their contract renewal was handled he givers frecks a renewal at xmas but refuses morgan

pringle wanted one begining of season 2014 refused 

 

that is why they left and they happpened to get a payrise along the way

 

steve evans for all his short term success may have brought us long term pain 

ther idiots who still think he would have done better need to  think again 



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They left because the club wouldn't break the pay structure in order to pay them what they wanted.

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Managers high and low have strange ideas at times when it comes to leaving out players.

One thing seems consistent however and that is the fans are never wrong, lol.



-- Edited by ian on Tuesday 10th of November 2015 07:15:54 AM

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Entirely Steve Evans fault that we are in a mess. The way he does things will give you a short term boost if he is backed financially but long term problems. He signs dozens of players close season, recycles half of them in January and then buys in expensive loan players to finish the season off. That is his tried and tested methodology. It is how he got through 80 odd players in three seasons. It burns money. It can not be done season after season. It catches up with you eventually and it is catching up with us now. His recruitment this summer was so rank bad that he had to go back to the well sooner than usual to get in Camp, Andreu and Vadis. Despite the illusion of wins against a Cardiff team that literally gave us it and a knackered Birmingham we were in deep, deep trouble when Evans left and nobody knew it better than him. Annoyingly Teflon Evans walked through his own revolving door at a time when he could crow about two wins and pronounce that we would have finished mid table under him. Absolute garbage. People knock Redfearn for saying we need new players. Evans was saying after six games with his twelve new signings that we needed four more. What is the difference? And what does it tell you? I don't necessarily agree with everything Redfearn has done but God knows he has got a difficult job on his hands.

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It baffles me how anyone can lay the blame at Evans' feet for the last six games. Evans didn't select those starting line ups, Evans didn't choose those formations and tactics, Evans didn't de-moralise them by constantly bleating on about how they aren't good enough, and Evans didn't knock the passion out of them.

We all get that many many people don't like Evans, but don't let that cloud your judgement about what is going on right now.

Exeter summed it with his post about the Man of the Match leaderboard. From the top:

Newell - can't get a game
JCH - left on bench against Ipswich
Smallwood- didn't play against his old club and only came on at half time against Ipswich
Camp
Buxton - Yes Buxton, in 5th place. Voted for by people on here. We all know he's better than Richardson.

Redfearn really is clueless. We could still survive this season but not with this clown in charge.

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smiler wrote:

Entirely Steve Evans fault that we are in a mess. The way he does things will give you a short term boost if he is backed financially but long term problems. He signs dozens of players close season, recycles half of them in January and then buys in expensive loan players to finish the season off. That is his tried and tested methodology. It is how he got through 80 odd players in three seasons. It burns money. It can not be done season after season. It catches up with you eventually and it is catching up with us now. His recruitment this summer was so rank bad that he had to go back to the well sooner than usual to get in Camp, Andreu and Vadis. Despite the illusion of wins against a Cardiff team that literally gave us it and a knackered Birmingham we were in deep, deep trouble when Evans left and nobody knew it better than him. Annoyingly Teflon Evans walked through his own revolving door at a time when he could crow about two wins and pronounce that we would have finished mid table under him. Absolute garbage. People knock Redfearn for saying we need new players. Evans was saying after six games with his twelve new signings that we needed four more. What is the difference? And what does it tell you? I don't necessarily agree with everything Redfearn has done but God knows he has got a difficult job on his hands.

 Smiler, bang on the nail. Its my opinion he knew it was going to go belly up and walked to preserve his win win win CV leaving A.N.Other to carry the can. I guess Redfearn is ruing the day he applied for the job and the other applicants wiping their brow in relief at a lucky escape.

As another thread says, there is nothing there, nothing, except disinterest from the bulk of the players, just drawing a wage, some try but its a bit like peeing in the wind and seem to give up. I wouldn't be in Redfearn's shoes for any amount of money, I actually feel sorry for the man.



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smiler wrote:

Entirely Steve Evans fault that we are in a mess. The way he does things will give you a short term boost if he is backed financially but long term problems. He signs dozens of players close season, recycles half of them in January and then buys in expensive loan players to finish the season off. That is his tried and tested methodology. It is how he got through 80 odd players in three seasons. It burns money. It can not be done season after season. It catches up with you eventually and it is catching up with us now. His recruitment this summer was so rank bad that he had to go back to the well sooner than usual to get in Camp, Andreu and Vadis. Despite the illusion of wins against a Cardiff team that literally gave us it and a knackered Birmingham we were in deep, deep trouble when Evans left and nobody knew it better than him. Annoyingly Teflon Evans walked through his own revolving door at a time when he could crow about two wins and pronounce that we would have finished mid table under him. Absolute garbage. People knock Redfearn for saying we need new players. Evans was saying after six games with his twelve new signings that we needed four more. What is the difference? And what does it tell you? I don't necessarily agree with everything Redfearn has done but God knows he has got a difficult job on his hands.

 But, smiler, that is not factual. The budget is ok, we are told it hasnt and certainly didnt get overspent.

Admittedly, it may have been part of the tension but SE cant be 100% to blame for tension in so much as both parties are going for success. We arent sure if he was told to stop financially but he may have been. Even if he was, it wasnt necessarily that he had failed.  The team wasnt improved thats for sure but 100% seems a bit too much.

The loan system is every ones way of making up for the short falls. Look at the championship and premiership-they all do it. Middlesborough at one point were fielding 4 loans every game and this season have 5 loans already operating in the first tea , I could go on...one team pertinent to us is worth noting however; Leeds like wise used 7 loan players last season and brought 7 new players in worth 6 million. Remember this was Redferns team...Remember Watford who just missed out on promotion with 14 foreign loan players and now look where they are. They didnt have much problem rebuilding quickly. It isnt just money its the expertise too.

 



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