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The win percentage seems to be an accepted measure of a manager"s ability. I have seen and heard Millers supporters question Neil Redfearn today because his win percentage at Leeds last year was 'only' 33%. What utter nonsense. Here are some examples of why. A manager could have that win % over a season and his team could still get 76 points if they drew all the ones they didn't win. Sean Dyche had a win % of 18% with Burnley in the premier league last season whereas Brendan Rodgers had 48% with Liverpool, but doesn't everyone know that relatively speaking Dyche did a much better job? As an out of context stat the win % us totally meaningless and I wish people wouldn't use it. I just had to get that off my chest. Here is a better stat. Leeds got 40 points from the 33 games they played under Neil Redfearn in the Championship last season. Here is the context - he managed that working with one arm tied behind his back and under more pressure than he could ever be under with us.

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The win percentage seems to be an accepted measure of a manager"s ability. I have seen and heard Millers supporters question Neil Redfearn today because his win percentage at Leeds last year was 'only' 33%. What utter nonsense. Here are some examples of why. A manager could have that win % over a season and his team could still get 76 points if they drew all the ones they didn't win. Sean Dyche had a win % of 18% with Burnley in the premier league last season whereas Brendan Rodgers had 48% with Liverpool, but doesn't everyone know that relatively speaking Dyche did a much better job? As an out of context stat the win % us totally meaningless and I wish people wouldn't use it. I just had to get that off my chest. Here is a better stat. Leeds got 40 points from the 33 games they played under Neil Redfearn in the Championship last season. Here is the context - he managed that working with one arm tied behind his back and under more pressure than he could ever be under with us.


 Good sense as always.  Nice to have you with us, Neil.wink



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Redders to you Kid.


 Well, Redders, go easy on the cow pie mate - don't want to end up like your predecessor.no



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smiler wrote:

The win percentage seems to be an accepted measure of a manager"s ability. I have seen and heard Millers supporters question Neil Redfearn today because his win percentage at Leeds last year was 'only' 33%. What utter nonsense. Here are some examples of why. A manager could have that win % over a season and his team could still get 76 points if they drew all the ones they didn't win. Sean Dyche had a win % of 18% with Burnley in the premier league last season whereas Brendan Rodgers had 48% with Liverpool, but doesn't everyone know that relatively speaking Dyche did a much better job? As an out of context stat the win % us totally meaningless and I wish people wouldn't use it. I just had to get that off my chest. Here is a better stat. Leeds got 40 points from the 33 games they played under Neil Redfearn in the Championship last season. Here is the context - he managed that working with one arm tied behind his back and under more pressure than he could ever be under with us.


 fair point.

but, we are back to square one again smiler.

what is an acceptable win percentage/points total for Redders for the rest of the season?



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100% Ian, LOL.

back to the real world. what was Evans?

As long as Redders does better than Evans i aint bothered.

Go out to win every match is my motto, as i am sure it is in our dressing room.



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The win percentage seems to be an accepted measure of a manager"s ability. I have seen and heard Millers supporters question Neil Redfearn today because his win percentage at Leeds last year was 'only' 33%. What utter nonsense. Here are some examples of why. A manager could have that win % over a season and his team could still get 76 points if they drew all the ones they didn't win. Sean Dyche had a win % of 18% with Burnley in the premier league last season whereas Brendan Rodgers had 48% with Liverpool, but doesn't everyone know that relatively speaking Dyche did a much better job? As an out of context stat the win % us totally meaningless and I wish people wouldn't use it. I just had to get that off my chest. Here is a better stat. Leeds got 40 points from the 33 games they played under Neil Redfearn in the Championship last season. Here is the context - he managed that working with one arm tied behind his back and under more pressure than he could ever be under with us.


 fair point.

but, we are back to square one again smiler.

what is an acceptable win percentage/points total for Redders for the rest of the season?


Enough points to stay up which will probably be about 48 points if past years are anything to go by, playing some decent football in the process, and ending the season thinking we have improved ready for next season.  That will do me fine.  You could get the extra 40 points we need from the remaining 36 games either by winning 2 and drawing the 34 at one extreme, or by winning 13 and losing 23 at the other, which is why I think assessing managers on the basis of win % is such a nonsense so I will politely decline to come up with any sort of notional target by that measure.

 



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